it's not about the spectators......I've sat at Mt Smart with maybe 30 others watching the u20's and at best, 1,000 for the start of the vulcans......but the kids coming through get games, get time with their senior players.....and get better

We must return to licensing. We must bring Toronto and Toulouse into Super League, with a future option of adding New York and one out of Montreal, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Jacksonville, to make 16. Adding London would be a good idea as well if they can get additional sponsorship and a decent ground.

It is also imperative that lowly Leigh be kept out of Super League, because it brings nothing to the table in terms of new funding for the game, new fans, and new young player pools. Lowly Leigh belongs in the Championship, where it can compete with frightful Featherstone, shambolic Sheffield, hopeless Halifax etc.

You sound very very worried cappy.

I think you are mad, a few overseas clubs might work, but anything more than 2 or 3 will be a joke, fans will run out of money travelling.

If there are so many North American teams start a league in North America.

Personally, I think that's what will happen if RL takes off in North America. Why would the likes of New York, Boston, Detroit etc want to continue to mix it with minor UK towns and cities like Wigan, Hull, Leeds etc - who hardly sit comfortably beside major North American cities? However, if we remove the opportunity for the likes of 'lowly Leigh', 'frightful Featherstone' etc, to compete at the top table, presumably these clubs will die a slow, lingering death, leaving the Wigans, Hulls, Leeds's etc. to play amongst themselves in a 4/5/6 club 'UK Super League'.

The sad irony is that IF we do end up with 4/5 N American clubs that are able to play in SL, in time the situation will go in one of 2 possible directions.

Either, RL will be so successful over there that they form their own League or, there will be a Super, Super League with only 4/5 UK clubs competing.
We really do need to ask whether the latter of these is what ANY UK fans want.
At the moment we are being led blindly into a situation which will destroy the domestic game in the UK.
Call it a parting gift from the Fat Controller.

Maybe the solution is that existing SL/Championship clubs get their act together commercially. We have a league with 5 or 6 strong(ish) sides, the rest just make up the numbers, and that's why we have accepted and sought after outside investment.

Too many folk on here are eating far too much cheese before going to bed.

If we go to 14 teams what’s up with going to 16 or more sorry I do not buy their are not enough players for more their is a old saying if you build it they will come maybe they will

Ignoring the pathetic troll attempt, we must find a way of expanding into these exciting new markets whilst strengthening France and encouraging the heart beat in the heartlands. Surely folk can start to see why tow tens makes so much sense

My My JEAN, You're not well son, go and have a good sit down.

We've been here before.
The 2nd ten will just be the Championship by another name.

Of course you could spread the Sky monies among the 20 clubs but that wont actually help, unless there is a whole lot more cash in the first place.
It's all about the money, something that there just isn't enough of.

Maybe we should accept our place as a small time "M62" sport and work with what we can get.
In terms of revenue, we are already a distant 3rd between The NRL and Union so, it almost doesn't matter what we do.

Although the 2 x 10 looks great on paper, it's a non runner.
Having said that, IF (and it a huge IF) Toronto, New York etc take off, you may get your wish but unless you are Wigan, Leeds, Hull , Warrington or Saints, you wont be playing in the "top flight".

An attitude all too common in a lot of RL fans with little or no ambition, money doesn't come to you - you go and find it. We are grossly undervalued in comparison to other sports, if the French and N American teams can secure deals we would be better off than NRL or RU

Bingo! Wrencat's attitude is endemic in our game.

What's stopping SL owners and boards going out and brining in outside investment? - what on earth do people think Perez has managed to in Toronto? He's somehow managed to convince a load of people who've never watched a game of RL in their lives, to throw money behind a club that have never played before and will join a 3rd tier comp in England! He's built a consortium that has enough money to grow the club, but also has built a team with the right commercial acumen & gone out and set up great deals with sponsors and broadcasters. He's got off his and done what he said he would, and here in England we have the flat-cappers lamenting this ambition and attitude, even fearing it. Pathetic.

Eh ?

Which part of my post infers any kind of negative "attitude"
It's just plain fact, go check out the deals that the 3 sports (RL, RU and NRL currently have)
Of course we should be ambitious but, you are utterly delusional to think that anyone will throw significant money at SL 2, when we get feck all for SL.
There is massive potential if RL can "make it" in the states/ N. America but, right now, Toronto etc are after "stealing" a slice of the Sky monies, which necessarily takes money away from the game in this country.
I actually agree that RL is undervalued and we're in a catch 22 position.
If we dont expand, our appeal is too small to attract "major" sponsorship and yet, if we do try and expand into N.America, we could jeopardise the whole lot.
Also, what kind of TV deal do the French have and what do you honestly expect that Toronto could glean, by way of a TV deal.

You question my attitude and yet you appear to be living in cuckoo land.