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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"As I understand it, its going to take many, many months, even with the new "Oxford" vaccine now approved.
Clubs and supporters need to survive long enough for the "majority" to have been vaccinated.'"
[i"We don't need to jab everyone to end worst of pandemic.There are 12 million over-65s. Once significant numbers are vaccinated, the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed disappears and the high number of excess deaths being seen across the population dwindles.How long will that take? Well, GPs alone managed to vaccinate the over-65 population against flu in a little over two months this autumn - 77% came forward for the jab.
The flu jab is given in only one dose, but doctors believe it should be perfectly possible to finish immunisation for every person over 65 who is willing to have the vaccine by the end of March, availability permitting.That would then trigger - or at least give the option of triggering - a major relaxation of restrictions.
It is what the UK government's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty referred to as "de-risking" His point was that we could quickly reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid was at a level society could "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year".[/i
You are right in what you say Wrenners, but they aren't going to do this as the shut down economy is starting to cause more misery and medical problems than covid . Going to the soccer or rugby may be at your own risk, if you don't qualify for the jab in January/February. A risk will remain you are right, but it wlll become a personal risk....
I suppose one can attend many games and "avoid the crowds" by not getting caught up in queues, and standing in quiet parts of grounds etc. The keepmoat in Doncaster will be ideal for watching live RL March onwards?? Just avoid any queue (I guess grounds will insist on 2M spaces for queues?) Go into Belle Vue after KO through the late gate and stand on your own? Wait for the crowd to leave before leaving yourself etc.....Or wait for the summer?
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| As a side note concerning vaccinations, my Mams next door neighbour has been vaccinated ( 80yrs + ) & while there they offered the vaccination to her daughter "while you are here" as many patients are not turning up for appointments & the doses are going to waste !
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"[i"We don't need to jab everyone to end worst of pandemic.There are 12 million over-65s. Once significant numbers are vaccinated, the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed disappears and the high number of excess deaths being seen across the population dwindles.How long will that take? Well, GPs alone managed to vaccinate the over-65 population against flu in a little over two months this autumn - 77% came forward for the jab.
The flu jab is given in only one dose, but doctors believe it should be perfectly possible to finish immunisation for every person over 65 who is willing to have the vaccine by the end of March, availability permitting.That would then trigger - or at least give the option of triggering - a major relaxation of restrictions.
It is what the UK government's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty referred to as "de-risking" His point was that we could quickly reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid was at a level society could "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year".[/i
You are right in what you say Wrenners, but they aren't going to do this as the shut down economy is starting to cause more misery and medical problems than covid . Going to the soccer or rugby may be at your own risk, if you don't qualify for the jab in January/February. A risk will remain you are right, but it wlll become a personal risk....
I suppose one can attend many games and "avoid the crowds" by not getting caught up in queues, and standing in quiet parts of grounds etc. The keepmoat in Doncaster will be ideal for watching live RL March onwards?? Just avoid any queue (I guess grounds will insist on 2M spaces for queues?) Go into Belle Vue after KO through the late gate and stand on your own? Wait for the crowd to leave before leaving yourself etc.....Or wait for the summer?'"
You would think that, once fans are permitted to attend games, S/T holders will gain priority, perhaps through a ballot system and that slowly, numbers being allowed to attend will increase.
I take your point on minimising personal risk but, government guidelines and what clubs are allowed to do will govern who may and may not attend.
"We" may even end up having to show some kind of vaccination certificate, which could prove mighty interesting.
Lets just hope things improve rapidly and we can get back to watching the game "in the flesh" and that kids can play the game we all love.
Persuading parents that their kids are ok to play a close contact sport will need some clever work.
Participation numbers are going to take a huge hit in the short term, with kids more likely to be encouraged into taking part in other sports.
Anyway, lets hope that the season gets going and is in full swing, in front of paying fans just as soon as possible.
Is there any likelihood of the Championship games being televised for the masses or will things be restricted to S/T holders ?
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| Quote Ste100Centurions="Ste100Centurions"As a side note concerning vaccinations, my Mams next door neighbour has been vaccinated ( 80yrs + ) & while there they offered the vaccination to her daughter "while you are here" as many patients are not turning up for appointments & the doses are going to waste !'"
Matches the idea there's a 70% take up rate Ste....
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"
Is there any likelihood of the Championship games being televised for the masses or will things be restricted to S/T holders ?
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Tough one that, the games are there for SKY to show as the current contract pays for them....But they said during the negotiations they were not interested in Championship.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Not a chance that all of the "at risk" people will have been vaccinated by March, not a chance.
There is more chance of Trinity winning the GF and Challenge Cup double and we both can agree how unlikely that is
The NHS will be "all on" to cope with the huge increase in demand on their services and while "some" will be vaccinated by March, clubs will be lucky, very lucky to allow all of their S/T holders in by April by, which time the Championship will have hopefully completed maybe 10 of their fixtures.
It's going to be a huge, huge test for everyone.'"
By the 1st April only one league game will have taken place, the Challenge Cup and 1895 Cup are going to be in played in March.
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| Quote bulls2487="bulls2487"By the 1st April only one league game will have taken place, the Challenge Cup and 1895 Cup are going to be in played in March.'"
My bad, I should have taken more note of the fixture schedule, although the Championship is due to kick off 27/28 Feb ?
It matters not, which fixtures are played. Without paying spectators coming through the turnstiles, clubs incur cost without revenue, which is going to add to the financial pain.
Everything swings on when and how many, fans are allowed to attend.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"My bad, I should have taken more note of the fixture schedule, although the Championship is due to kick off 27/28 Feb ?
It matters not, which fixtures are played. Without paying spectators coming through the turnstiles, clubs incur cost without revenue, which is going to add to the financial pain.
Everything swings on when and how many, fans are allowed to attend.'"
It does.
And in answer to the governments projected timetable for innoculations many independent experts are saying March is pretty much wishful thinking for everyone to have had the jab plus it probably needs two jabs to be fully safe.
I think you win this one, little gate income 2021 and no TV income 2022 onwards
So which Championship clubs do you think will be at the starting gate 2022??
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"It does.
And in answer to the governments projected timetable for innoculations many independent experts are saying March is pretty much wishful thinking for everyone to have had the jab plus it probably needs two jabs to be fully safe.
I think you win this one, little gate income 2021 and no TV income 2022 onwards
So which Championship clubs do you think will be at the starting gate 2022??'"
IF significant numbers of fans cant attend and more importantly, pay to attend games and without any funding for 2020, there may be very few Championship and League 1 clubs at the starting line in 2022.
Wages are the biggest single cost to most club and they will either have to get very "creative" with their revenue streams or go to part time.
Only those with plenty of cash behind them will continue, unless there is some change to dual reg, which may allow them to use SL "squad" players, which may see the Championship and league 1 clubs becoming more like feeder clubs.
Perhaps we will see more "partnerships" developing between those in the top flight and those lower down the pecking order.
Maybe the time has come to return to "franchising" in a slightly larger top flight, with the inclusion of Bradford, York, Newcastle etc. However, I really cant see any of the bigger clubs agreeing to a smaller slice of the Sky monies.
There could be a real shake up before the start of next season.
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| It’s clear that the vaccinations are in progress. The drugs companies are stating 2M vaccines will be available weekly with the NHS stating they can cater for that. It’s all down to if those numbers can be increased.
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| Im assuming nothing changes and we KO the season as planned.
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| Quote wire-quin="wire-quin"Im assuming nothing changes and we KO the season as planned.'"
The KO isn't in too much doubt, it's the likelihood of spectators being allowed in and the effect that no spectators may have on club finances that is the concern.
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