That's not true though is it, that's just your perception that most people can see the positives to these new teams, a north american league fine crack on with it but where's the positives in decimating our super league just to fulfil a dream a few thousand miles away.
I seem to remember you taking umbrage with me when I questioned your pointless comparison with Wakey and Widnes, maybe the Leythers are fed up with the pointless criticism they always seem to be on the end of, maybe you have genuinely mistaken passion for bitterness.

Because they are told to do so and won't be allowed in Superleague if they just drain the player pool here. You talk about "[isurely their ambition is the top flight[/i". They can have whatever ambition they want but how many times does it have to be said that any more than three overseas clubs in the top flight and there is no TV deal for anyone. No doubt Argyle would welcome New York and Ottawa Derbies "In the top flight" but this is impossible as SKY would pull the plug -that has been said by the SL bosses. As it stands there are a dozen ambitionless English clubs in the Championships so if we are ever going to expand the game that is the place to to do it isn't it?

And how do you get "three clubs". After Ottawa's and New York's acceptance to make the three, Mr Perez spoke about how clubs such as Vancouver and Montreal had renewed interest and Boston has always been on the cards. That makes six in the longer run. Asked about players Mr. Wilby spoke about how players in the USARL were interested, and if you care to check you may find that the USA have played in the World cup using USARL players. I've always said that the Championship is the place to develop the American game until it can sort it's own league.

The key is are the investors there to back it - this is what Wilby and Perez appear to be doing - setting up more NA clubs to attract those investors.

I don't think you will get a discussion there Wayne, nothing I put to him is directly answered just taken off on a "Tangent"then Steph flies in to gives me what for. It's a reet double act

I think they must have the same agent



The North Americans and their adopted son Wilby are cracking on with it to be fair, they are setting up the clubs at Ottawa and New York to be ready made for investors , USARL are interested as are their players, Perez is bringing in the best Canadian RU players he can. All it needs is TWP to be relegated and to get on board with the new plan which is NOT to ship whole squads out to America from here. It's worth remembering USA players played in the World cup.

People would also do well to remember that Perez walked away from TWP. One can only hope that was on the principle that he accepted he had to grow the game there, not ship it in from here.......

Got to agree with you why on Earth do we have to put up with teams thousands of miles away does not make sense to me

[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/41544831Toronto Was The First Of It's Kind,So A Test Project[/url

He's only slightly behind schedule.He seems to be doing more in a few years than M62 clubs have done in well over a century...

What do you think their reasoning is?

So you would prefer the game in the Northern hemisphere to stay the way it is and continue to decline?

Eventually there needs to be a circuit breaker and you have people wanting to invest their money into the game.

The worst decision in the world would be to turn them away.

What you don't get is, is that their is no decimation. Who has been decimated from the inclusion Toronto? The English playing stocks have barely been affected by Toronto using 10+ players. It's just another argument that has no foundation.

I also think that the perception of Super league being ''our league'' is wrong and needs to change for the betterment of the game. Example 1 with some super league teams not wanting to travel to France because they may have crowds.

Super league is no longer an English competition, It's just that It's based from England.

Do you have some kind of link to the Sky deal being "pulled" if there were ever more than 3 overseas clubs in SL or is this another one of your "certainties".
As for the other N. American clubs, I kind of agree with you.
There needs to be a plan and plenty of thought given, as to what kind of future is best for the sport, whereas at the moment it's all "suck it and see", which is bloody ridiculous for any professional sport.
It's time for SL to show it's hand and for them to explain their "vision" for the future.

As for the Championship being the place for the N. .American game to "sort itself out", what about the English clubs in that competition ?
Many of the players are part time and clubs have struggled to cope with 2 overseas clubs. How on earth would they cope with 4/5 ? It's a non starter.

What is a little strange here and accepting that the game is at a much lower level than The Championship, is that there is a domestic RL competition already in parts of the states.
It's the gap in quality just too significant for that comp to be built on and expanded or was there some politics preventing this ?

Untrue.

Unlike you I am open to all opinions and discussion and have answered any post that comes my way.

So you think it’s ok for a team like Toronto to play in our league even if it costs a fortune to get their for our fans and players it is nuts

Please read properly what I write when quoting my post before you put your interpretation on it, I did not say there would be decimation in super league with the inclusion of Toronto, they have now been accepted and form part of sl until if/when they get relegated, nobody is arguing about the 10 or so over priced Brits/Aus players they have, but if people like yourself under the banner of expansionism get your wish and include all the north American teams being thrown into the mix and then add all the players they'll need then that's where super league will get decimated. The Northern Hemisphere you talk about covers a great expanse, as Canada and the USA are the 2nd and 3rd biggest countries in the world respectively, surely you would think that if the interest is there they would be big enough to stand on their own two feet with a bit of help and some of our alleged expertise, or can't you understand that concept.

Catalans are an established super league club and have been for the past 14 seasons, the Catalans game is one of the first fixtures a lot of fans look for when they come out, most clubs do the round trip in a day to save money and just accept it, you could argue that the English clubs take quite a few fans to France whereas it's affordable to go once a season, unlike the French who probably couldn't afford the expense of regular visits will select the game of their choice, other than that I'm not sure what you mean by they may have crowds.

Not sure I know the politics of it all but isn't it called super league Europe?