What do you want them to do? Scrap around in the lower leagues for 5 years?

They started at the bottom and won promotion. Ottawa are starting at the bottom unless you propose putting them in pub leagues. The whole point of this exercise is to start franchises which grow into big clubs in the sport. We do not need North American sides slumming it at the bottom. That does nothing for the sport!

Valencia, Toronto, New York, Ottowa, Toulouse, Red Star Belgrade, London, York, Leigh, Featherstone, Bradford, Widnes, Newcastle. Two tier super league anyone?

Traditional clubs have had over 100 years to get their own houses in order and to grow into sustainable business's.

Where did I say that? Read what I put.
Toronto are playing in the only structure available to them, it's not their fault. I just wonder what happens if/when they get relegated. Hopefully they persevere and start to develop their own talent. But like I said, it will take a long time.

Which is why they shouldn't be relegated. Relegation shouldn't be an option for Toronto. It should be scrapped as we don't even have two leagues to make it sustainable but SL itself should have come together and accepted for the greater good Toronto remain in SL no matter what.

Oh that one again


I would say that if they have been around for 100 + years, they have been extremely sustainable



Also, remember just why we play in summer.
Two of the biggest clubs of the 80's and 90's (Wigan and Widnes)brought themselves and the sport to the verge of bankruptcy.

I wont be here to mark my businesses centenary but, if it makes it, I would view that as success, YOU clearly wouldn't



Also worth noting that the new clubs simply couldn't and wouldn't exist if it wasn't for thos clubs that have helped get the sport to where it is.
If they were so fecking good, we'd all want to join the N. American League...............................if only there was one

I am an expansionist, but this Canada nonsense is crackers.

You can tell me I'm a luddite, flat capper etc. I am not, I just know a farce when I see one.

If a club 3500 miles away means bankruptcy then yes I would question how sustainable that business is.

I mean its not like we dont have professional teams who shudder at the thought of having to travel to Canada once and felt a need to exclude Toronto from a tiny share of television money.

Are you deliberately talking nonsense ?

We know that we support a game that isn't in great financial health and so we decide to add new clubs 3500 miles away, that cant play a full set of home fixtures during the regular season, (Ottawa will be slightly worse as they will be even further north), increase the cost burden for all of the existing clubs, hand over "our" players etc, etc, when there has been little to no effort so far for Toronto to begin finding their own "homegrown" players, either from the existing American RL or from Union.

The Bankruptcy (or the brink of it), if you can remember came immediately before the inception of SL, when Maurice Linsdsay of Wigan brokered a TV deal with Sky as his club, along with certain others had brought the game to it's knees.
The issue with having multiple N. American clubs, plus Catalan and Toulouse, in the comp is that they add to the costs of EVERY competing club and as I mentioned, the sport is not awash with cash, far from it.
Most businesses if things were tight, would not wish to take on additional cost, plus the loss of revenue from the lack of visiting fans etc.

Its great to look at the potential upside to all of this but, if the sport were being responsible, it would also take note of the potential downside, not least that Toronto need huge injections of cash to survive and profit seems not to be remotely neccessary or likely.

All the lads and lasses there
They all had smilin' faces...

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there are some extremist expansionism that are just going too far taking no care into how or who is brought in, I'm now going to sit a wait for it all to fail and come back with I told you so when it does but it won't be with a smile on my face