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| Quote Seth="Seth"Wow. So let me get this right, youre saying you see no danger in preaching fundamentalist hatred? Where does that end, holocaust denyers? Racism?'"
I agree, something tells me some of these views would be very different if this was aimed at race instead of sexual orientation, but as I have already mentioned both are hate speech and both are illegal.
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| Quote Seth="Seth"Wow. So let me get this right, youre saying you see no danger in preaching fundamentalist hatred? Where does that end, holocaust denyers? Racism?'"
Nope I said he is free to say what he wants as are you or I. Because you may not agree with it doesn't mean he da not say it??
Offence is taken and not given if your offended by what he says then that's just too bad facts don't care about feelings mate he is free to say what he wants until people like you take away even more freedoms people have died to protect.
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| Quote homme vaste="homme vaste"I agree, something tells me some of these views would be very different if this was aimed at race instead of sexual orientation, but as I have already mentioned both are hate speech and both are illegal.'"
Not hate speach they're his beliefs and opinions
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| Quote Dezzies_right_hook="Dezzies_right_hook"Yes I will.
I do not agree with what he is saying but I will fight fir his right to say it.
Quite simple offence is taken not given.
Again I wholeheartedly disagree with what he is saying but our grandparents n parents fought and lost their lives for our freedoms and all I see is easily outraged people allowing our rights as free people be taken away so some snowflake doesn't get upset.'"
You have been listening to too much Ricky Gervais old boy, of course Folau`s comments are going to cause offence, your snowflake comment is just completely ridiculous in this case, I don`t see how anyone that is offended by Folau`s comments could be labelled a snowflake...
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| Listen, nut jobs who preach extremist ideals have lead to millions of deaths. Your grandad didnt fight in the war so people could preach hatred, they fought for the opposite. Nazi ideals became a frightening reality.
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| Quote Dezzies_right_hook="Dezzies_right_hook"Not hate speach they're his beliefs and opinions'"
Okay, so as long as you believe something, you can say what you want to? Thanks for clearing this up.
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| Folau has a right to his beliefs, just as people have a right to criticise them. Personally I blame the media outlets printing his views, they know that he’ll be controversial and cause uproar.
I’m not a religious person, and I don’t bash those who are, but I would love to see Folau provide undeniable proof that “God” was behind these bushfires as a punishment.
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| Quote Seth="Seth"Listen, nut jobs who preach extremist ideals have lead to millions of deaths. Your grandad didnt fight in the war so people could preach hatred.'"
That is the worst comment yet, you're getting hysterical as is the way with the easily outraged.
The best defence I ever heard for TRUE freedom of speech was this.
On seeing a red poppy being burned by some extremist, perhaps even the sort you like, when asked why he the seller wasn't outraged he answered thus...
'I fought for two years in the deserts of North Africa so they can live in a country where they are free to do that, it hurts me but real freedom always comes with a little pain'.
So if I were you I'd drop the 'grandad' nonsense.
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| Quote Seth="Seth"Listen, nut jobs who preach extremist ideals have lead to millions of deaths. Your grandad didnt fight in the war so people could preach hatred.'"
OK so the answer is ultimately change the law so we all hade the same vies beliefs and opinions and lock up those who don't agree yes that's the kind of stuff my grandad did fight to stop.
I have enough belief that the majority of the population don't agree with what he says and would offer up a reasoned argument with him about his beliefs and opinions, and won't be swayed by his arguments.
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| Quote Dezzies_right_hook="Dezzies_right_hook"OK so the answer is ultimately change the law so we all hade the same vies beliefs and opinions and lock up those who don't agree yes that's the kind of stuff my grandad did fight to stop.
I have enough belief that the majority of the population don't agree with what he says and would offer up a reasoned argument with him about his beliefs and opinions, and won't be swayed by his arguments.'"
I am afraid you already have your answer to this particular case, the answer is the law is already there as a deterrent to people that spread such hatred (In the UK that is)... Again, look it up as there are numerous acts that cover this as hate speech and it can carry a prison sentence.
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| Quote homme vaste="homme vaste"I am afraid you already have your answer to this particular case, the answer is the law is already there as a deterrent to people that spread such hatred (In the UK that is)... Again, look it up as there are numerous acts that cover this as hate speech and it can carry a prison sentence.'"
Yes but what he said was not hate speach you may twist it to suit your own view but it was not hate speach nor was he inciting anybody.
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| Quote Dezzies_right_hook="Dezzies_right_hook"Yes but what he said was not hate speach you may twist it to suit your own view but it was not hate speach nor was he inciting anybody.'"
Just because you are not directing it at an individual, it does not mean it is not hate speech. We have kids (And adults for that matter) all over the world, still figuring themselves out committing suicide because of comments like this and you are happy to label it freedom of speech under the guise of Christianity?
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