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| Everybody looks to their past teams with rose tinted specticals.
But as a competitive season this is pretty good.
The key is about how teams can grow their fan base.
Warrington are the only team in recent times that I can think of who have made significant headway in growing their fan base.
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| Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"That's a downside of summer rugby. We don't see any top Aussies coming here anymore, once their season finishes, either.'"
It's more down to the salary cap limitations / exhange rates that are the problem.
As a Leeds fan I've seen the likes of Ali Lauitiiti and Brent Webb give some outstanding years in SL, Danny Burdeus, despite being the wrong side of 30, still prove himself to be one of the world's top #9s, the first year we got out of Toni Carroll was outstanding and I've also seen my team ripped apart by the likes of Lesley Vainikolo, Jamie Lyon, Steve Renouf and Trent Barrett.
Whilst some of those players arrived in the UK under slightly inauspicious circumstances, SL could still attract a better quality of overseas player than they can today. That's the consequence of a salary cap that has barely moved with inflation for 20 years, a failure for clubs to grow and a weakening exchange rate.
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| Quote Salford red all over="Salford red all over"Your absolutely bang on don't get me going regarding that man, yes he kept us going but some of the stuff he's done to our club is not printable on here, but just say when you scrap the academy of which I believe Jake Bibby was one of the last to come through and is now off to Wigan as presumeably Wigan haven't been able to produce anyone as good ? we have players in our tiny squad not playing because of stuff in their contracts, reduced payments from the RFL I could go on forever, anyone heard anything else about his Cumbrian/Liverpool dream ? If he told me it was dark at midnight I would have to check for myself.
We are screwed without a local billionaire, we have one who sponsors Super League but he's not interested in his local club. (Not even a bit of spare change from the back of his sofa).
I've served my time many years a season ticket holder once JH is officially announced to the pies I'm done Good luck to Jackson he came to us under circumstances but for mine he's far to good wasting his talent by staying here in (and here's the link to the thread) a sub standard competition, but if true the pies are that desperate there going to pay him a quarter of a million for a season with an NRL get out clause which could mean him leaving at any point even before he's played then that says everything about the competition, that one of the supposed giants of RL are falling over themselves for potentially ONE season.
Also once we've been picked to the bones again and we eventually join Widnes/Leigh/Bradford the big boys will then look to strip the others of any talent and only when there's nothing left will the "self preservation society" themselves be done and semi-pro returns to Rugby League.
Sorry for the negative post but after watching us on Thursday after all the heads have been turned was enough for me, that was a team who nilled Catalan whist scoring nearly half a century away, hammered Wire at Wire and put thirty unanswered on Saints.'"
But you're signing Sarginson from us so look on the bright side.
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| Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"It's more down to the salary cap limitations / exhange rates that are the problem.
As a Leeds fan I've seen the likes of Ali Lauitiiti and Brent Webb give some outstanding years in SL, Danny Burdeus, despite being the wrong side of 30, still prove himself to be one of the world's top #9s, the first year we got out of Toni Carroll was outstanding and I've also seen my team ripped apart by the likes of Lesley Vainikolo, Jamie Lyon, Steve Renouf and Trent Barrett.
Whilst some of those players arrived in the UK under slightly inauspicious circumstances, SL could still attract a better quality of overseas player than they can today. That's the consequence of a salary cap that has barely moved with inflation for 20 years, a failure for clubs to grow and a weakening exchange rate.'"
Those would be marquee players though surely and therefore cap exempt?
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| What I would say is that often the lower standard games are the most exciting to watch. The NRL is often less exciting because the teams are so fit, so well structured, so they cancel each other out and defence wins.
Errors, poor decisons, poor fitness all promote good attacking matches.
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| Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Exactly, it's a short career for rugby players, and if we still played in winter, agents would want to maximise their clients earnings with short term contracts in the SL and NRL. Take the point about recovery time - they didn't come every year back in the day, and the same would happen now.'"
No, it wouldn't, the players will not want to come and play in Hull in November, have a 50/50 chance that the bus gets over the pennines.
The CEO's of NRL sides will not want their box office players spending a few months in the SL at the risk of their investment.
Those days are gone, setting off at 5 am on Friday to make sure we made Whitehaven, camping in barely +ve temperatures, all for the love of the club.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Those would be marquee players though surely and therefore cap exempt?'"
Those players might be marquee today but I think the issue is that we used to get those players in without those marquee exemptions because they were able to fit under a salary cap that was both more comparable to the NRL cap and worth more in real terms than it is today.
The issue is also not necessarily one of the salary cap, but of the value of those players. You can bring in a player on whatever money you like and whilst only a fraction of that appears on the salary cap, the full value appears on the bottom line.
So does £300K for "AN Player" from the NRL today make as good a business case as £150K for a Brent Webb, Lesley Vainikolo or a Jamie Lyon given that in that same period, the sport isn't really generating any more revenue from that talent (in terms of TV, sponsorship etc)?
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"But you're signing Sarginson from us so look on the bright side.'"
Aren’t they “stripping him away” from you?
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| Surely injuries have a lot to do with the quality of a season? There are a number of teams who have some of their best players sat in the stands for the rest of the season, and there are a number of players with niggling injuries who seem to be playing 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
If every team had their first choice squads available every week, the quality would be extremely competitive, but it's the nature of the beast. As the game has got faster and more physical, the injuries, and recovery times, have reflected this.
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| Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"Surely injuries have a lot to do with the quality of a season? There are a number of teams who have some of their best players sat in the stands for the rest of the season, and there are a number of players with niggling injuries who seem to be playing 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
If every team had their first choice squads available every week, the quality would be extremely competitive, but it's the nature of the beast. As the game has got faster and more physical, the injuries, and recovery times, have reflected this.'"
Agreed. Injuries plus the problems at perennial challengers such as Wigan and Leeds.
Injuries are the biggest threat to our game I believe. It feels like every game is tainted by the amount of quality out on the sidelines. It's having a massive effect on the outcome of games.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Aren’t they “stripping him away” from you?'"
We know how you love an argument but no we are not stripping him away he's finished with at Wigan and therfore surplus to requirements. Jackson Hastings is hot property therefore wanted by Wigan.
Rob Lui quality required by Leeds, Tui whatever he's called is your dirty washing.
See the difference ?
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Those would be marquee players though surely and therefore cap exempt?'"
Not sure if you know, but its only the premium beyond the upper limit (either £150k or £175k can't quite remember) which is not counted towards the Cap.
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