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| Quote acko="acko"I don't get why so many are making out that it's just Sinfield fault, The fault with Leeds is totality collective Board,Coach,Players it's not all Sinfield fault there have not replaced with quality players with the likes of Peacock,Maguire,Burrows,Hall,Ali,Leuluai,Maybe now there do it's just a matter of how long will it take to get that quality back in a leeds shirt.
I'm not one to ravel in the situation leeds find there self in because as a Wakefield fan we have got all the T-shirts on that one.
Up The Trin'"
Yes but it was his job to get a smooth transition from the loss of those players, its not as though they left all at once to make his job harder. Most other clubs like Warrington, Wigan and St Helens have managed transitions and yet have still kept competitive. Leeds have fallen off a cliff and Sinfield needs to take some of the blame which he has accepted, but the real question: is he up to the job, and will every Leeds Coach have to accept some loss of control and the interference that comes with it.
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| Quote NSW="NSW"Such an over rated player bar goal kicking.
JP let them teams and Maguire and Burrow made them tick.
Seems to terrible in his current role too.'"
Except they didn't did they.
Burrow and McGuire were great but Sinfield organised play while they ran the ball. It's only later in his career that McGuire picked up in that area.
I'm sure Peacock was an inspiration but he himself says Sinfield was a great leader.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Yes but it was his job to get a smooth transition from the loss of those players, its not as though they left all at once to make his job harder. Most other clubs like Warrington, Wigan and St Helens have managed transitions and yet have still kept competitive. Leeds have fallen off a cliff and Sinfield needs to take some of the blame which he has accepted, but the real question: is he up to the job, and will every Leeds Coach have to accept some loss of control and the interference that comes with it.'"
To be fair to Sinfield he only started his job at the latter end of 2018. The damage had already been done by that point. Now his actions since have not inspired confidence but neither am I one to say get rid immediately.
As for Directors of Rugby. Normally I’d agree it’s not a good situation unless their remit is on the academy structures rather than first team, otherwise what’s the point of a first team coach. But in this case the plan is clearly for Sinfield to take over from Hetherington as CEO at some point in the next couple of years so this is part of a transition. So I’m fine with that.
Just not fine with sacking 2 coaches in the space of 20 odd SL games when the main issue isn’t the coach, it’s poor recruitment.
I do have to agree with Printer a bit as well. The documentary last year didn’t show Sinfield in a good light in my opinion. It showed an ego and an expectation that I assumed wasn’t there and certainly wasn’t earlier in his career. And I think his dislike for McDermott after that incident has played a part in some of his decisions now.
Which he needs to get over if he’s going to last at Leeds now.
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| Quote Alan Cargill="Alan Cargill"I have a few connections to the Leeds club with my work and on a number of occasions i have been told he his ruining the club with his decision but because of who he is Hetherington is reluctant to get rid of him as he's scared of the backlash from the fans and sponsors etc.
Is he in danger of undoing what he achieved as a player by being such a poor coach or adminstrator whichever role it is as my leeds people are still unsure what he's actually supposed to be doing.
Also to Leeds fans is there any chance the fans will turn on him eventually or has he got a job for life at the Rhinos ?
Apparently a couple of big sponsors are not happy and are thinking of withdrawing support while he's still around, is it that bad.'"
Another one of these posts from people who think they are in the know, listened to a load of rumours and pure hearsay and think they have the fingers n the pulse.
Blokes been in the job less than a year, but yeah it's all his fault he must be ruining the club.
If some sponsers want to withdraw support because of a bad run then let them go, dont have them back when things are on the up or charge them double.
The same idiots that what Sinfield out are the same idiots who want Hetherington out.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"[u=#0000BFYes but it was his job to get a smooth transition from the loss of those players,[/u its not as though they left all at once to make his job harder. Most other clubs like Warrington, Wigan and St Helens have managed transitions and yet have still kept competitive. Leeds have fallen off a cliff and Sinfield needs to take some of the blame which he has accepted, but the real question: is he up to the job, and will every Leeds Coach have to accept some loss of control and the interference that comes with it.'"
I agree it is Now, But he came back to Leeds Mid July 2018 so like i said the problems are collective at Leeds you cant just blame Sinfield, You say it's is job for a smooth transition maybe it is, But it certainly hasn't been for the last 3 years where Leeds retention to there standards haven't been good enough over the last 3 years,
Players who have left, retired or been force out the like of Rob Borrows 2017,Danny Maguire 2017,Zak Hardaker 2017,R Hall 2018,B Delaney 2018,Joel Moon 2018,Mitch Garbutt 2018, and then Kev sinfield 2015, Jamie Peacock 2015,K Leuluai 2015 plus a load more,That's a fair bit of quality players there have lost and not replace with better in my opinion.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Yes but it was his job to get a smooth transition from the loss of those players, its not as though they left all at once to make his job harder. Most other clubs like Warrington, Wigan and St Helens have managed transitions and yet have still kept competitive. Leeds have fallen off a cliff and Sinfield needs to take some of the blame which he has accepted, but the real question: is he up to the job, and will every Leeds Coach have to accept some loss of control and the interference that comes with it.'"
How was its Sinfields Job to get a smooth transition from those players leaving, he hasn’t been in the job for a year yet, the last of those pivotal players left in 2017
I’ve just posted this on SS.com - a lot of people ate slating Sinfield for not doing his job when they don’t even know what job he is doing.
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| Quote christopher="christopher"
a lot of people ate slating Sinfield for not doing his job when they don’t even know what job he is doing.'"
nor does Sinfield, but hey, he cheated to a lot of wins.
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| Quote christopher="christopher"How was its Sinfields Job to get a smooth transition from those players leaving, he hasn’t been in the job for a year yet, the last of those pivotal players left in 2017
I’ve just posted this on SS.com - a lot of people ate slating Sinfield for not doing his job when they don’t even know what job he is doing.'"
No one is saying he isn’t doing his job, they’re saying he’s doing it badly which he has done.
Where Sinfield, some at the clubs and many Leeds fans have it wrong is thinking things were broken before he came in. In 2017 we were 2nd on 40 points (1 less than the treble year in 2015 with Sinfield and co) and then won the GF. In 2018 we were top 4 after 10 rounds with our only losses away to Widnes the game after the WCC as if often the case and by 1 point to Cas. Even then in rounds 11 & 12 we lost to a single point again to both Wigan and Hull.
We did this with hardly any props and no real established quality goal kicker. Those one pointers scored the same number of tries, just didn’t have the kicker. On the props in those opening 10 rounds, Galloway played 0 and retired, Peteru played only 15 mins of the opener, Garbutt played 2 and Cuthbertson played in 2 also. Another important forward for us in Ward managed 3. This caught up on the squad badly in the 2nd third of the season. It was a bloody great effort to actually be 4th at that point in the circumstances, great effort which has disappeared from them under Sinfield’s watch.
Leeds didn’t need to reinvent the wheel or make huge changes, they just needed to steadily transition the quality of the squad now that the stadium work was drawing to a close and cash could be spent again. McDermott should’ve been backed with the sort of money that Sinfield has......more Leeds fans should be questioning why weren’t marquee or big signings made until McDermott was gone. What should’ve been done for 2019 was proper quality replacements for Galloway, Moon and Hall and one or two extra in the forwards with the money they were on plus the newly introduced willingness to spend big on marquees and other departures like JJB and Ablett who should’ve retired but Sinfield gave his mates new deals and one of them hasn’t played and the other barely has, not saying that would e had us winning trophies but we’d be in ok shape compared to this mess. Then at the end of 2019 you can move on 4/5 more and bring in better replacements for 2020 and likewise 12 months later for the start of 2021 aided by some of the youngsters on the verge of coming through now and perhaps then would’ve been the time to look at McDermott’s replacement. That would’ve been a gradual and smart transition, not Sinfield coming in trying to force change too quickly.
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| Said a while back that Leeds were becoming a job for the boys club under Sinfield with new deals for the likes of Ablett and JJB and off field roles. Called it that McGuire would be back in 2020 on the coaching staff.
Low and behold now Leeds have apparently tried to re-sign McGuire for the rest of this season with him getting an off field role in 2020 but HKR have turned it down.
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| The last thing Leeds need is more ex-players from the Golden Generation banging on to the current squad about what they did. In sporting terms its ancient history. You may as well get Schoey or Lewis Jones to do the team talks.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The last thing Leeds need is more ex-players from the Golden Generation banging on to the current squad about what they did. In sporting terms its ancient history. You may as well get Schoey or Lewis Jones to do the team talks.'"
Even though HKR have also apparently offered McGuire an off field role too for 2020 you’d suspect he’ll take up Leeds offer due to his connection to the club and Sinfield.
If so that’ll leave us with Sinfield as DOR, Burrow as u19’s coach and part of the first team coaching staff, McGuire on the coaching staff, Chev Walker too, Peacock in the commercial department....you can bet JJB almost certainly will get a role somewhere when he retires at the end of the season and wouldn’t bet against Ablett joining the youth setup either as he’s previously worked with the juniors with Burrow.
McGuire said after McDermott left that Leeds were a player led club, just happens to be the players that have recently retired or left that are those dictating things and decisions helped by certain members of the club hierarchy and key sponsors (who are fans) who have pushed to have these guys running things based on their admiration for them as players.
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| Just seen Sinfield’s interview pre-match. Absolutely embarrassing, got confrontational and angry when Carney asked a simple question why Furner was no longer the right man saying that’s in the past now, yet couldn’t stop blaming stuff on where the club was before he came in.
Saying the club was rotten before he came.....garbage, you don’t win a GF just several months prior if a clubs rotten. It has become rotten under his watch now though. He’s several weeks away now from being back 12 months and we’re much much much worse off. In 11 months should be enough time to at least see the starts of getting rid of this alleged rotten culture yet it’s the worst and as low as possible.
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