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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Has anyone said they wouldn’t consider him? Or that he shouldn’t play this Autumn?'"
I dunno, maybe its just one big long typo.
Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"The others can catch kicks and score when the have no right to. He does have more speed and can be more elusive with half tackles but how many half tackles do you think you get against the Aussies and Kiwis in internationals?
I wouldn’t sacrifice the metres in contact thing at international level because it’s more crucially al and you will have it throughout the game rather than hopeful that an Aussie defence is going to come up with half tackles.'"
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| Quote Upanunder="Upanunder"I dunno, maybe its just one big long typo.
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Thanks for highlighting that I didn’t say I wouldn’t consider him and just reading what you want to read. If any set of fans are dismissive of other wing candidates for England it’s Wakey fans
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Has anyone said they wouldn’t consider him? Or that he shouldn’t play this Autumn?'"
Here we go, pouting your anti Wakey bias - if he were a Leeds player you’d be demanding the inclusion of SLs most exciting player - ever crossed your mind that these wingers you so love don’t actually work and that the Aussies can deal with them all day long - grow up and open your eyes.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"The others can catch kicks and score when the have no right to. He does have more speed and can be more elusive with half tackles but how many half tackles do you think you get against the Aussies and Kiwis in internationals?
I wouldn’t sacrifice the metres in contact thing at international level because it’s more crucially al and you will have it throughout the game rather than hopeful that an Aussie defence is going to come up with half tackles.'"
I understand where your coming from here but the stats don’t lie. Johnstone is top try scorer, top of clean breaks, high in tackle busts, has a good metre stat and has a higher avg gain in metres per carry than Hall and macgillivray this year. He does make good fast yardage and eats metres with players on him but crucially what he does do mostly is land on his front for a quick pob.
So I do see where your coming from but Tom has more to his game than just scoring, clean breaks and speed. Just wanted to highlight that.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Here we go, pouting your anti Wakey bias - if he were a Leeds player you’d be demanding the inclusion of SLs most exciting player - ever crossed your mind that these wingers you so love don’t actually work and that the Aussies can deal with them all day long - grow up and open your eyes.'"
So you think Hall and McGillivary don’t work at International level and the Aussies have dealt with them easily? Pretty much most agreed our best area in the World Cup were our wingers.
Still ignore what Hall has done consistently for a decade at international level and in GF’s, CCF’s, WCC’s and Semi Finals and has lead to an NRL club signing him even post aged 30......because Johnstone scored a hatrtick against a Catalans team going through the moments post CC Final.
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| People are comparing Johnstones defence with that of wingers who play for teams who are better overall defensively than Wakey. He is going to look worse because he is more exposed. If he played for Wigan, Saints or Cas he wouldn’t have as many situations to deal with and there wouldn’t be this questioning of his defence.
His defence isn’t as bad as made out but his other attributes far outweigh any perceived weaknesses in that regard.
I am biased as a wakey fan but I would say he is the most complete winger knocking about in SL at present. There are others who are on a par or possibly slightly better in certain areas but none who are as good over all of the skills required of a winger imo
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Thanks for highlighting that I didn’t say I wouldn’t consider him and just reading what you want to read. If any set of fans are dismissive of other wing candidates for England it’s Wakey fans'"
I think we should try navigate around your BS and cut straight to the chase, lets take "consider" out of the equation and go to "play" or "not play", then there can be no fog knitting and semantic rubbish muddying the waters.
Atm, it looks like not play, the reasons for that are detailed in your typo, but who knows.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"So you think Hall and McGillivary don’t work at International level and the Aussies have dealt with them easily? Pretty much most agreed our best area in the World Cup were our wingers.
Still ignore what Hall has done consistently for a decade at international level and in GF’s, CCF’s, WCC’s and Semi Finals and has lead to an NRL club signing him even post aged 30......because Johnstone scored a hatrtick against a Catalans team going through the moments post CC Final.'"
Please see my post above. Proved by stats. Nobody is doubting what Hall has done and he is great winger who’s been good for England.
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| Quote Upanunder="Upanunder"I think we should try navigate around your BS and cut straight to the chase, lets take "consider" out of the equation and go to "play" or "not play", then there can be no fog knitting and semantic rubbish muddying the waters.
Atm, it looks like not play, the reasons for that are detailed in your typo, but who knows.'"
If you want to avoid fog knitting then admit, I didn’t say I wouldn’t consider him. I think he was worth considering end of 2016, 2017 was a write off for injury. 2018 probably worth the other wing spot because of Hall’s absence. If Hall wasn’t injured I’d go with Hall over him simply because he is the proven player.
What is the biggest game Johnstone has played in and excelled?
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| Quote Trojan Horse="Trojan Horse"Please see my post above. Proved by stats. Nobody is doubting what Hall has done and he is great winger who’s been good for England.'"
Fair play to your previous post which was a very good argument. My reply to the other poster was giving Johnstone the level of respect that that poster gave Hall and McGillivary who he clearly dismissed their international performances.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"So you think Hall and McGillivary don’t work at International level and the Aussies have dealt with them easily? Pretty much most agreed our best area in the World Cup were our wingers.
Still ignore what Hall has done consistently for a decade at international level and in GF’s, CCF’s, WCC’s and Semi Finals and has lead to an NRL club signing him even post aged 30......because Johnstone scored a hatrtick against a Catalans team going through the moments post CC Final.'"
This. Johnstone looks flashy with ball in hand and space, like so many others before him (Greg Eden comes to mind!) Maybe people are forgetting that McGillvary was in with a shot of player of the tournament in the last world cup, from a field of only three candidates internationally... and Hall has consistently been class for the last ten years.
When and only when one of these two fall from grace should anyone else be considered. Really, winger is the ONLY position we were world class in at the last tournament and people are trying to line up replacements. Laughable
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Fair play to your previous post which was a very good argument. My reply to the other poster was giving Johnstone the level of respect that that poster gave Hall and McGillivary who he clearly dismissed their international performances.'"
I won’t get involved in that one. I can’t see anyone doubting the good job both Hall and macgillivray have done. Undoubtably good players and done a great service for England. Johnstone is part of the next crop coming through and I hope he can achieve as much on the international scene as hall who in sure Tom will both habe respect for and the enthusiasm to continue a strong left wing position should he get the chance.
Thanks for replying btw. Good to have a discussion. It’s what these are for afterall.
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