Personally I have never liked the Super 8's. I prefer straight forward relegation / promotion.

RFL - please stop messing around with the structure of the game.

Best or very good players going to NRL or Union because we aren't paying players enough to stay, and thus don't entice Aussie stars to come over.

Thursday night games.

The constant changing and changing and changing and loving changing of the format of the game is getting beyond tiresome.

Getting rid of the shoulder charge has had a big effect on the excitement for me as well.

Also players diving and pretending to be injured like wendyballers.

The rucks - although a little better this season - have been an absolute mess in SL for a good few years now making the game very ugly to watch and slow.

All contributing to lower crowds

When you think about it - having Toronto in SL would be the perfect foil for the RFL to go to 13 teams. When it's your turn to have a "bye" weekend this is filtered into the fixture list to accommodate to additional travel time, jet-lag, climatisation and so on.

For effect, you will have between 10 and 14 days space for the Toronto away fixture considering the "bye" weekend.

Great idea, but this is RL...that'll be far too logical!

Teams in positions 5-13 will either be fighting to avoid the million pound game or fighting to get into the top 4.

We have had an unsuccessful top 8 play off system. We've had an unsuccessful super 8's system. But the games that are the most successful and keep fans coming back week in week out with the highest attendances are regular league games in round 1-23, this part of the season can be increased to rounds 1-27.

FTFY

There are a lot of nutty Leigh fans on this forum. Lowly Leigh represents the parochial past in Super League and the future in the Championship, along with witless Widnes.

Laudable London, terrific Toulouse, and turbocharged Toronto represent the future of Super League.


That is why we must restore licencing and get the progressive teams into Super League.

Ste, do me a favour and refrain from quoting the pseudo frog because I've got the clown on ignore.

Your written English is very good considering you are French, I am very impressed

Unfortunately the content leaves a lot to be desired - but do carry on

A nutty Leigh fan - from Leigh ooops thats Lowly Leigh

Ok so I've come up with an idea which may seem a bit wacky at first, but I think it could potentially work.

For this theory I have used the current 12 super league teams, and also hull kr, London, Toronto and Toulouse.

So rather than a league of 16, we have 2 groups of 8. Each season the two groups are picked by a random draw, however for at least the first year I would have 3 pots of teams.

Pot A
Warrington
Wigan
Widnes
Salford
Saints
Leigh

Pot B
Leeds
Huddersfield
Castleford
Wakefield
Hull fc
Hull kr

Pot C
Catalan
Toulouse
Toronto
London

Each group of 8 would consist of 3 from pot A and 3 from pot B, with 2 from pot C. This will ensure that each team has equal trips across the Pennines and make sure the visits to the 'expansion' teams are equal.

Now the starting groups are sorted, each team plays home and away, 14 fixtures each. Once these fixtures are complete, the top 4 from both groups come together, likewise with the bottom 4 from each group.

Now in their respective groups, 1st/5th start with 4 points, 2nd/6th with 3 points, and so on. Now obviously there will be 2 teams on the same points so their starting position will be based on their points difference. The reason that the starting positions is important is the fixtures for this section will remain in the grid used to calculate the super 8's fixtures currently. This is a further 7 games.

Once these 7 fixtures are complete, in the top group, the top 4 have the playoff semi finals then grand final.

In the bottom 8, teams try to secure safety. The bottom team at the end will be replaced by the winner of the championship (providing that the championship winners can match certain criteria, mainly that they can secure the step up financially).

This will reduce the number of fixtures and we can remove the double fixtures at easter, freeing up space for internationals or a separate competition etc.

Now I know it may sound similar to the current format with me talking of 8's and splitting, however if you actually think about this it's quite a different format that I think could work. There will always be people that say there will be dead rubbers but it's impossible to get a system where every game means something.

(As a side note I would make it compulsory for every team to run a reserve team, who's fixtures would be the same as the first team until the split, and have these games played as curtain raisers to the first team game.)

I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this.

But the RFL are much more likely to have Cas playing away in Toronto on Saturday followed by Leeds on Thursday night