Your argument is based on nothing more than circular reasoning. When clubs don't win it's because of the coach, when that coach wins elsewhere it's because of fate or something else.

None of which actually go against the point. Apparently saints can 'luck' into a gf win but hudds can't even win a few play off games. This is apparently your argument against success being entrenched.

The salary cap and how it is structured not only allows the top clubs to spend more, it also ensures they get more 'bang for their buck' and it also ensures that lesser clubs cannot 'catch up' .

The irony is that when necessary those big clubs have never been shy in throwing their financial weight around. Leeds, Wigan and Saints all had no problem shelling out big sums on fielden, Harris and Sculthorpe, or making outlandish bids for lomu and sonny bill, when Jamie Lyon became available he wasn't going to wakefield, when Ali was available he wasn't going to Salford and when trent Barrett was available he wasn't going to widnes.

The factors that make Catalans a fearsome prospect on their own ground seem to operate against them when they play away. Were they to make top 4 they might be a threat under the new system; unfortunately for them, that system heavily militates against their even reaching the play offs. Cup-wise, a decent draw could see another final appearance, as it can for quite a few clubs.

Well of course they weren't. What a ludicrous supposition to make that they somehow should have been.

Why would some of the best players in the world want to uproot their families and move halfway across the planet to play in relegation dogfights in front of 3,000 people? The best players will always gravitate towards the biggest clubs, salary cap or no salary cap. Saints, Leeds and Wigan had more to offer those players than just the size of their wage packet

What the SC does prevent though is cases where one club hugely inflates the wage/transfer market to the point where only they are able to afford the best players. Imagine if Simon Moran suddenly decided in a non-capped sport that he was going to sign the best 25 players currently in SL and pay them £200k a year each, and damn the financial losses because he's rich enough to cover it. You've then got 11 other clubs in the competition in an arms race that they can't win because they're not backed by a multi-millionaire who is determined to be the best at all costs. Meanwhile, there are half a dozen internationals sat kicking their heels in the stands at the HJ every week because they can't get in the team, much like there used to be at Wigan in the pre-cap days.

get rid of the salary cap, it obviously doesn't work. Let Marwan spend huge amounts and let him buy the league leaders shield. it will improve the league. 1 up one down in a 12 team SL, no 3 x 8's. 4 team play-off. Week 1 1 v 2 + 3 v 4. Week 2 winners of 3 v 4 away to loser of 1 v 2. Week 3 Grand Final.

thats why the SC entrenched success. Because the best players gravitate towards the big clubs and it stops smaller clubs catching up.

When Koukash took over Salford he took over a club where the few good youngsters they have produced were picked off, a development system in disarray, a poor first team squad and he was expected to build a good squad whilst a) being an unattractive proposition as a club, b) spending less that their rivals, c)getting less for the money they do spend, and d) not having a very good squad to start with.

Your second paragraph does highlight a potential issue with an SC free world, but not only is it an SC free world but an entirely squad regulation free world. For instance, you could put in a rule that says at least 10 of your 25 man squad have to have made their SL debut for you, or only 10 could have played for any other SL side or NRL side. There are plenty of other hammers to crack that nut that don't put the responsibility on the players to earn less.

I'm also not convinced that such domination would be possible again. There isn't much difference between the top 5 in each position in SL so even if one club did sign what they believed to be the best 25 players, that they would be hugely better. I look at the likes of Leeds Wigan and Saints and I don't think there is a huge amount elsewhere that they are desperately in need of, or that if they got would take them that far away from the others.

Point still stands, Foran is leaving a multi premiership winning team to join wooden spoon cellar dwellers. Why? Money. If the cap is legit I can't believe a mid or lower club can't be offering players from Leeds, Wigan or st's enough money difference to entice them to move. End of day there are only so many top tier earners a club can have if they are sticking to the cap.

Maybe it's because UK players are more loyal to their clubs, and not as mercenary as the Aussies who seem to just chase the money.

My knowledge of the NRL's minimal. Are the cellar dwellers loaded? If so, any player joining up might reasonably expect others of quality to join him. Were Wakey to sign, say, Hardaker, he'd know with certainty they couldn't afford any other top players; in fact the quality of those around him would almost certainly drop as a consequence of his having signed and the cutbacks that that would require.

Salary cap is working, not Leeds Wigan saints fault they produce the best players and attract the best players, Leeds success down to exceptional run club not just spending the most money, bet there are 3-4 clubs trophy less and out off top 4 who spend more money than Leeds.

I think part of the difference is that in the NRL you know there's gonna be turnover in the teams challenging for the play offs. Cronulla went from the wooden spoon in 2014 to finishing 6th in 2015. If players are aware this sort of transformation is possible, the good players are more likely to join bad teams, because there's nothing to indicate they will always be bad teams.

If Michael Ennis was a Super League player, he would have done the equivalent of leaving Wigan at the end of 2014 to join Wakefield. No player over here would do that because what chance did Wakefield have of making the play offs in 2015?

I also think the cap seems a lot harsher over there. I know their cap is much bigger, but so are wages - you hear about clubs having to let go of players because of salary cap pressures a lot more often. Robbie Farah being forced out of Wests, Michael Jennings and Luke Lewis being let go from Penrith, Glenn Stewart and Keiran Foran with Manly. These are all pretty good players who the club would rather have kept, but couldn't justify it under the salary cap. How often do the good Super League clubs have to let some of their good players go just because of the salary cap?

You could scrap the cap but then you would have to implement a rule meaning that clubs were protected from chairpersons who like to gamble.

Saying they are financially astute does not prove anything clubs as independent businesses pose no financial risk to the individual running them, they will just borrow against club assets until the club goes bust.

This is the first year for a while there has been some stability in club finances.

It's like the shampoo. It won't happen overnight but it will happen. (Provided it is properly policed)