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| [urlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/22/nfl-concussion-lawsuits_n_7120016.html[/url
Could be something that could drift into RL on the back of this Hohaia announcement.
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| Messing about with interchanges is far less likely to reduce brain injuries than making sure all players are adequately hydrated.
Dehydration is one of the biggest causative factors in severe brain injury. When the body is starved of fluids the brain shrinks inside the skull cavity. Any blow thereafter causes the brain to smash into the skull like jelly hitting a brick wall at thirty miles an hour.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"I don't think interchanges would affect anything, you'd potentially get even more severe injuries, as fatigue worsens technique. Reducing the 10 to 5 again might, but I probably wouldn't watch the pushathon that would cause the game to become.
Travis Burns was another severe head shot that was ignored by the ref and docs. Sam Burgess in the Grand Final another. Both broken facial bones and I'm pretty sure you can't break your cheekbone without impacting the brain.'"
I think interchanges would affect the power and size of players as they'd have to be more mobile and so reduce the strength and power going into tackles. The only downside is that would having fewer interchanges lead to injured/concussed players staying on the pitch?
I agree on the reffing. Unfortunately the refs are wimping out of making the big decision to send someone off. The Travis Burns one was pathetic. IIRC the ref even gave a penalty but no punishment to the offender. A complete wimping out.
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| Quote Him="Him"I agree on the reffing. Unfortunately the refs are wimping out of making the big decision to send someone off. The Travis Burns one was pathetic. IIRC the ref even gave a penalty but no punishment to the offender. A complete wimping out.'"
It's not just the offender that is not being dealt with, it's the player with the injury. Should it not be the referee's duty to remove a player from the field when he's clearly injured? Saints medical team in the Burns game weren't even allowed to properly assess him, he shoved them away and shouted at them that he was continuing. Burgess in the GF told his medical team he'd broken his face and they knew the damage was there at half time and ignored it and let him play on. I doubt either players were assess, Burns because he wouldn't allow it, and Burgess because they wanted him to finish the game.
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| You say you agree on the reffing but you'd have to surely agree that a spate of sendings-off would be met with at least equal and probably greater howls of derision and complaint from fans and clubs. Fans want to see 13 v 13 and sure an obvious sending off should be just that but many such incidents aren't obvious in the sense that the majority of neutrals would agree, and the ref needs to be pretty certain to issue a red, given the massive effect producing one will have on the game. You call it "wimping" but surely you don't actually believe that? It's not as if not being sent off helps the offender much anyway since he can be banned just the same.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Messing about with interchanges is far less likely to reduce brain injuries than making sure all players are adequately hydrated.
Dehydration is one of the biggest causative factors in severe brain injury. When the body is starved of fluids the brain shrinks inside the skull cavity. Any blow thereafter causes the brain to smash into the skull like jelly hitting a brick wall at thirty miles an hour.'"
All pro players I'm involved with are required to take a hydration test twice a day when training, the kits are stored in the players locker room, break out area and the toilets. They are required to log the results of the tests with the S&C staff.
Match days are exactly the same both before and after the game.
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| I have said before I think that there is a deliberate decision to avoid sending players off as it has such a huge impact on our game.
I suggested a sub-sending off, where a player is forcibly substituted and sits out the rest of the game. So they play no further part and their side loses a rotation sub, but it doesn't have as big an effect as a sending off.
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| Got to feel for Lance.
Like any player who has to retire due to injury it's never the way they want to go out.
Not the fairy tale ending to a pretty good career.
I hope given time away from playing he can start to recover from the head injury.
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| very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.
“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”
Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.
“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”
Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?'"
What is worse is addressing the 'perp' on first name terms like that. It's so annoying.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.
“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”
Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?'"
If Flower had done what he did in boxing, he would never be allowed in the ring again. And that's in BOXING.
The whole idea that the 'poor lad' has a god-given right to ply his trade as a Rugby player, and to deny him this is somehow heinous is absolute bull. If an accountant is caught commiting fraud, he can't practice as an accountant any more. If a policeman shoots an unarmed man he wouldn't be allowed back on the beat. (As well as whatever criminal proceedings arrive in those cases.) The reason is that when you're a professional, and League players are supposed to be professional now, you have certain responsibilities to that profession, and the trade body has a responsibility to safeguard the reputation of their other members. In not banning Flower sine die the RFL have neglected that responsibility. (And I've been watching RL 30+ years and can't think of a single other incident that would more merit that sentence, at least since Les Boyd & Steve Bowden in the early 80s). A two and a half month playing ban is absolute joke and opens up the RFL to charges of ignoring the issues.
And as for poor "Ben", so what if he can't play rugby again? Fine, give him counselling, give him anger management, give him vocational training if you're that bothered. But like the fraudulent accountant, he has no right to continue in the profession he let down so badly. He can still get other jobs in other walks of life without any physical restriction, which is more than Hohaia can.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"very disappointing statement from Blake Solly, who along with Saints seem desperate to shut down any talk on this issue.
“As far as we’re concerned at the Rugby Football League, the matter has already been dealt with,” he said. “There was a disciplinary panel last October which appropriately dealt with matters when we suspended Ben. We won’t be going any further into it. That’s as far as the RFL’s involvement into it stretches.”
Really Blake? nothing we can learn about post concussive care? nothing to be investigated as to whether we can do more to protect players from concussion and related effects? no duty of care to investigate if this is more widespread than just one player? No moral duty to make sure the Lance Hohaia is ok and properly cared for post-RL? no duty to every player who has ever or will ever play to make sure that everything we can learn about this is learned and every effort is put in to protecting them?'"
I couldn't agree more; for a professional organisation to wash it's hands of this situation with a terse and dismissive statement like that, is very poor form. From a governance point of view, there is a responsibility to learn from serious incidents and demonstrate changes to policy or procedure designed to prevent them from happening or again, or mitigating the impact.
This has the whiff of the beginnings of something serious - and the RFL statement has the counter-whiff of a something that the legal dept has drafted...
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