Hey dosey if I was bitter it would be to Wigan. Im glad saints won but I do think they're Not a great team.

Wane has to take some of the blame. Remember he encourages his players to go out and hurt the opposition. Flower was just following Wane's thuggish game plan. Didn't come to the microphone to congratulate the winners. Poor loser, poor sportsmanship.

I agree, Wane winds their players up too tight. Stick to the rugby for the full 80 minutes they would have won tonight.

Wane is damaging the Wigan brand imo.

But what does that say about the rest of the teams this season?

This thread appears to be getting sidetracked by fans of the team which finished 7th in SL.

I'm delighted for saints (especially after the flower incident) but most of all for Wellens, what a servant to the Saints and the game.

Also as a Leeds fan, I have sort of felt sorry for saints at grand finals

Needless to say we are all very happy chappies tonight, but as someone once said 'Never write off the Saints'

(Unless its Leeds in the final

)

Saints fans (and every other RL fan, judging from this board

) should actually be thanking Flower.

Judging from that game if Wigan had been at full strength Saints wouldn't have stood a chance. They offered little in attack and only just overcame Wigan's 12 men, who were the better team, throwing the ball around more and playing the better rugby, but being a man down was a hurdle too far against strong defence. Still, fair play, Saints won with key players missing, they ground it out and can call themselves Champions.

Poorest SL Champions ever? Not sure I can think of anyone else worthy of that title.

Stupid from Flower. Rash first punch, truly disgraceful second punch. Rightfully a long ban and hefty fine coming his way. I feel for the lad, he's been outstanding all year and tonight was out of character, but a that doesn't excuse punching a prone man. Watching it again I even think he knows it as he throws it; he hesitates and it's more of a jab than a full-blooded haymaker, but the red mist still won him over and he'll pay his dues.

While we're discussing 'stupid' let me just mention McCarthy-Scarsbrook. Actually embarrassed for him. Not that he'll care right now of course.

I don't think LMS is the brightest. But who cares really?

pleased for them and pleased for nathan brown.
it was supposed to be the most one sided final in the history of rugby league and saints, although i thought they looked clueless in the first half just had enough to come through.
wigan played well enough but saints wanted it so much more i thought.
SKY kept banging on about how amazing and incredible wigan were and how they showed spirit etc, well i thought saints showed as much, if not more, wigan had 2 very good half backs out there, saints had a veteran full back and 2nd rower... but SKY failed to give any credit to saints until the last 5 minutes, in fact it was phil clarke who stood up for saints when hemmings and stevo were waxing lyrical about wigan.

i admire what wigan have done and wane gets the best out of his players without doubt, but you can't help but dislike parts of their game, i wonder if wane will regret his words pre match when he said "they will do whatever it takes to win the game", it seems using acts of thuggery to take out their opponents only recognised half back is what it needed but failed.

a good intense game though and many congratulations to st helens!

You can't say that with any certainty at all tbh, Saints were already threadbare in the Halves and then 3 minutes in they had Lance Hohaia mugged by Flower, so they then had to reshuffle, which no doubt affected their attacking play tonight.

Not sure what McCarthy-Scarsbrook said was that embarrassing, bloke was just amped from winning the GF, I'll give him a pass tonight.