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| Quote dubairl="dubairl" Unless tomkins starts playing 6 for the warriors he should stay at fullback. Why would you play your best player out of position?'"
I dunno. Ask Australia, who play Greg Inglis in the centres. (And also play fullbacks Darius Boyd and Jarryd Hayne out of position).
Hardaker is the best all-round fullback England have. Tomkins is the most dangerous attacking player. They both have to be in our strongest team, whether it's Tomkins 1, Hardaker 4 or Hardaker 1, Tomkins 6.
Given Hardaker is the better defensive fullback and unlike Tomkins will also actually return kicks, the latter is the common-sense option for me.
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| I think Hardaker and Tomkins are too similar to play them 1 and 6. I don't think they would provide the best balance for an England team.
They will both want the ball in their hands in similar positions and they will always look to run with the ball. I don't think that will be good for the team.
I think the balance of Lomax and Tomkins would work far better, for example, purely because lomax is a different sort of player compared with Tomkins.
Tomkins MUST play at 1. It's who plays at 6 and 7 that's the issue.
Hardaker's try last night was fantastic. He really is having a top season. Gives a good headache for the England coach!
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"I dunno. Ask Australia, who play Greg Inglis in the centres. (And also play fullbacks Darius Boyd and Jarryd Hayne out of position).
Hardaker is the best all-round fullback England have. Tomkins is the most dangerous attacking player. They both have to be in our strongest team, whether it's Tomkins 1, Hardaker 4 or Hardaker 1, Tomkins 6.
Given Hardaker is the better defensive fullback and unlike Tomkins will also actually return kicks, the latter is the common-sense option for me.'"
There is no way to sugar coat it Hardaker has at least 4-5 years to prove he is at Tomkins level, i would love for him to do it at Wigan. There isn't a better english full back than Sam Tomkins PERIOD.
Darius Boyd grabbed a spot when Australia didn't have amazing wingers and kept hold of it. Inglis was played for years at and add to the Fact Billy Slater was the best full back for many years. Stop talking nonsense.
You know Hardaker is at Tomkins level when people start saying "well it easy to do it super league but its different to do it in the NRL". On a side note Tomkins is doing it in the NRL by the way incase you don't have premier sports.
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| Has Tomkins learnt how to catch a high ball then?
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| Quote FGB="FGB"Has Tomkins learnt how to catch a high ball then?'"
Look as if he had to show Slater how to in the last match
biggest bull in the world that Tomkins is weak at the back, he might be if Inglis is contending with him but who isn't?
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"Look as if he had to show Slater how to in the last match
biggest bull in the world that Tomkins is weak at the back, he might be if Inglis is contending with him but who isn't?'"
I've always thought Tomkins is solid under a high ball, it's the ones where it's bouncing around and the boots are flying that he's not so keen.
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"
biggest bull in the world that Tomkins is weak at the back'"
Yes I agree 100%
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| Remember when we only had wellens?
Now we're sh*tting quality fullbacks. Hardaker, tomkins, lomax......
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| Quote Albion="Albion"I think Hardaker and Tomkins are too similar to play them 1 and 6. I don't think they would provide the best balance for an England team.
They will both want the ball in their hands in similar positions and they will always look to run with the ball.
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Way off on Tomkins nowadays. His game has totally changed and if anything he isn't running enough. The only complaint I've read from NZ Warriors fans about Tomkins is that he's not making enough running metres. He is constantly linking the play and setting his centres and wingers away like he did last year for us. Josh Charnley and Darrell Gouldings Wigan careers have stalled since he left because they're not seeing the same amount of ball as they got from Tomkins.
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| Quote FGB="FGB"Has Tomkins learnt how to catch a high ball then?'"
Has he learnt how to tackle yet ?
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"Look as if he had to show Slater how to in the last match
biggest bull in the world that Tomkins is weak at the back, he might be if Inglis is contending with him but who isn't?'"
I wouldn't say tomkins is weak at the back, but if we are comparing him to hardaker then hardaker is definitly the stronger in defence. He saves numerous tries either with last ditch defence or holding people up over the line and he is sound under the high ball. He's probably one of the key reasons leeds defence has been so stingey, he seems to average 1 or 2 try saves a game. Against warrington alone earlier this season he directly saved 3 tries as last man when it looked odds on. Tomkins however is much better in attack, has more pace and footwork, better passing more attacking intelligence. Hardaker is good in attack, it's just tomkins is exceptional in that area.
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