Exactly, I don't understand how people can't see this - nobody would benefit in the long term.

Let's just go back to a 30 odd team single division, and balls to it.

I'd like to see a four team Superleague, with each team playing the others atleast eight times. That would be good.

The key to improving SL developing the championship into a fully professional league, this is obviously easier said than done. If the bottom 2 sides in SL were interchangeable with the top couple of sides in the championship (by championship sides getting better rather than SL sides getting worse) then SL would improve as a result.

IMV a 10 team SL could work but only if a 10/12 team Championship was fully professional. You would have to play each other 3 times for it to be financially viable. Personally I have no problem with this but many others do.

This would mean having 20/22 professional clubs currently there are only 14 with 3 other championship clubs in Fev, halifax and Leigh capable of stepping up. This would mean 3/5 more clubs would have to step up which at the moment is not realistic. I cant see batley, sheffield, keighley, dewsbury and swinton all becoming professional anytime soon.

Don't think there's anything wrong with 14 teams personally.....in terms of number of fixtures it's about spot on.....I keep seeing people say there isn't the quality of player to have 14 Super League teams....well there never will be unless they are given the chance, and a chance to develop with their team over a number of years...

It's pretty clear that the licensing system has many flaws, but because of that it's too easy to forget it also has some great things to it aswell.....

My own team Wakefield are a shining example of both the pro's and con's of the system.....on the one hand we were on the verge of losing ours (or coming very, very close to)....and now shortly after that are flourishing in many ways....

I think bringing P&R back into the equation somehow is a must.....

It makes me laugh though some fans from the so called 'bigger teams' that if they win by a big margin Super League is a joke and numbers should be reduced....and when they get beat by a so called 'lesser team' it's only because of the way the competition works and the team didn't need to win the game anyway and only raises their game for the big teams........absolute nonsense all of it.....these are the fans that are dragging the game down and need to feck off and support something else....

Has this stupid idea not died a death yet?

Deary me.

either stick as we are now or as suggested 2 tier of 10

sl1 - wigan, warrington, saints, leeds, hudds, hull, catalan, hull kr, london, bradford

(salary cap £1.5million, 4 overseas allowance)

sl2 - widnes, wakefield, cas, salford, fax, leigh, fev, cumbria, south wales, sheffield

(salary cap £1million, 5 overseas allowance)

sl1 has top 4 playoff for champions and bottom 4 join top 4 in sl2 in a playoff winner has the spot in sl1 and a rolling 3 year licensing system to get into sl2

playoff systems

top 4 sl1

1v2 winner to final
3v4 loser eliminated
winner v loser
grand final

bottom 4 and top 4 playoff

round 1

g1) 7th sl1 vs 10th sl1 - winner to prelimenary semi loser to next round
g2) 8th sl1 vs 9th sl1 - winner to prelimenary semi loser to next round
g3) 1st sl2 vs 4th sl2 - winner to next round loser eliminated
g4) 2nd sl2 vs 3rd sl2 - winner to next round loser eliminated

round 2

g5) loser of g1 vs winner of g4
g6) loser of g2 vs winner of g3

round 3

g7) winner of g1 vs winner of g5
g8) winner of g2 vs winner of g6

grand final

g9) winner of g7 vs winner of g8 (winner gets place in sl1 loser plays in sl2)

Address the problem, invest in jnr rl and get the talent coming through. The answer is in growing more, not reducing opportunities. If you want a totally equal strength league reduce the salary cap to 1.2 million and make sure every team is abiding by it.

The lack of movement of quality players from the usual suspects at the top to the teams towards the bottom would suggest that not all teams are spending the same full salary cap.

Read all about it, all new 'Super League reduced to 10 teams' thread shocker.

Ignoring all the other problems, that playoff system appears to punish teams for doing well


A team that comes out in the top 4 in the playoffs (where 4 are from SL1) ends up in SL2 (losing finalist)?

why would you keep London in over widnes, wakefield, cas and salford?

i was just putting the teams in there obviously its tangible