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| Banana couldn't coach a turd out of his own backside
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| The problem in the 4 nations was the team was too structured for the likes of Tomkins & Chase to really shine, not to mention everything seemingly HAD to go through Sinfield, with players like Chase & Tomkins you want to be playing a more off the cuff style, play with freedom and not boring structured and predictable rubbish the Aussies handled with ease.
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| Quote Gronk!="Gronk!"The problem in the 4 nations was the team was too structured for the likes of Tomkins & Chase to really shine, not to mention everything seemingly HAD to go through Sinfield, with players like Chase & Tomkins you want to be playing a more off the cuff style, play with freedom and not boring structured and predictable rubbish the Aussies handled with ease.'"
I wasn't impressed with Chase when he played for England, and I was even less impressed with him in the Cup tie at Fev. Fev contained him absolutely, so absolutely that he lost his rag and broke Ropati's jaw. The first time I saw Tomkins play for England at Elland Road in 2009 I was very impressed, he and Burgess combined brilliantly. The problem was that neither they nor the team could do it for 80 minutes.
Sinfield is probably the best all round footballer we have in this country. The England problem (IMO) as someone else said is the coach who doesn't know his from his elbow.
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| Forget Super League, Wigan v Saints derbys, Grand Finals, Challenge cup finals and internationals.....
A true test of a world class player seems to be against Featherstone Rovers on a muddy pitch.
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| Quote ABP'="ABP'"Forget Super League, Wigan v Saints derbys, Grand Finals, Challenge cup finals and internationals.....
A true test of a world class player seems to be against Featherstone Rovers on a muddy pitch.'"

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| Not sure how this thread ended up including Chase - for me he's nowhere near the same class as Tomkins.
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| Shotgun or Sniper
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| Quote SIMMSFAXTEDDY="SIMMSFAXTEDDY"Shotgun or Sniper'"
So long as it's Wellens shooting him. With his speed, Sam will have retired.
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| It's easy according to the woman that was standing behind us on Friday, just don't let him run with the ball...
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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"This. If people start bombing the hell out of him with good bombs (that's easier than it sounds given the play making selections of many players in SL) and he starts missing them like he can then it'll force the pies to re-evaluate whether they can keep him there. At the moment nobody has really applied that kind of pressure.
As for stopping him with the ball in structured play that's difficult because at the moment his team's timing on runs is exceptional. You can tell the difference when watching the game last night and how off the timing of runs was, particularly outside of Rangi Chase. Compare that with the synchronicity of the game at Manchester when Tomkins was often running at a depleted threequarter line with several supporting options available to him. That said our defences are pretty weak over here this season and that extra space teams are giving him is lethal.'"
Probably the most viable suggestion on here.
You're correct, few teams put up the high bomb against Tomkins with any consistency. It's still a weakness for him and something that isn't exploited.
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| His cross field running causes havoc amongst SL defences, but I don't think it would have the same effect in the NRL. Their defences are far more disciplined and less likely to have players dragged out of position. He would probably still have his moments, but I can't see him running amock over there like he does here. In short keep to the gameplan and you're defence is only as strong your weekest link, and it's usally a mental weakness that lets you down (too many weak links in SL).
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Put on a green and gold jersey - that's Kryptonite to Super Sam.'"
Correct.
Players in SL hang off him out of some sort of undeserved admiration.
No such courtesy from the Aussies who showed he was far from the talent SL makes him appear.
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