I haven,t RED too much into that

No.

it must have been the dye getting in their eyes and could not see properly. poor old whinos.

Poor attitude from Leeds from the kickoff. Sts the opposite - the players really had to come out firing to show why they wanted Simmons out. They did that and fair play to them.

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.

I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!

Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons [size(ref Paul Shorpe)[/size

Great win by Saints, who made some massive changes to their side to bring a lot more experience in. Leeds looked out of ideas, although without Maguire it's easy to see why.

Leeds play it up the middle all day and rarely went out wide on Saints, this suited Saints quite well who just played a very compact defence knowing they would rarely trouble them on the wings.

Good to see Ade playing again, have always thought he was underrated as a player, whilst not a world beater he's defo one of the 10 best wingers in the SL in my opinion.

What about those who believe that the players attitudes towards Simmons was the issue?

Saints ran and defended with more belief and commitment last night than they have all season. Those aren't things that you can coach, they're inside the player and it's up to them to make sure they deliver it every time they pull on the shirt.

If Saints are capable of backing up that performance, then the next time some of their first team squad look in the mirror I hope they see Royce Simmons standing behind them shaking his head.

But its the coach's job to get the best out of his squad of players, isn't it?

It's the player's job to put in 100% percent every day, whether you're training or playing, irrespective of who the first team coach is.

Looking at that performance last night, every single Saints player did just that.

Can you honestly say in that case that they've been doing it for the last 8 weeks?

Granted they did play with a lot to prove last night and yes they are profesional and should play there best every week but it dosn't always happen? it's upto the coach to get the best out of them and Royce was to nice for me?

If you've ever worked for a manager/supervisor that was rubbish you would know that statement to be not true.

Aye. Motivation and respect for your boss is one of the biggest "key performance indicators" there are.

So you're saying that their performances up to this weekend were deliberately poor, so that Royce was given the boot.

No.

But if a person goes to their regular job with the mindset that they aren't going to perform but instead let someone else do the work or just let the job go to rot then it is highly likely that person will eventuallly be disciplined and possibly fired.

Unfortunately, so-called professional players do not get fired for giving out very unprofessional performances, as per the senior players at Saints over the few weeks Roby was absent. And instead of disciplining the players, McManus sacked the coaching team; the same coaching team who enabled a 10 week winning run last season to get into the GF, and be in a winning position, with awful injuries and a number of off field issues to deal with.