Thankfully never

Ah, I'm sorry I assumed your analysis of his coaching qualities & potential was based on more than just watching a couple of Quins games on tv.

Looking at the way Quins play I think it's fair to say he has never coached ANYONE.

I know he was cheap but surely they could have got someone a bit better?

Hypothetically Quins could win the C.C, G.F & W.C.C, but, it would still fail to instil any interest, IMO.

Probably the same thing that happened with Sheffield.

That would be a cynical take on consumerism in this country, even for Bill Hicks. A team that stands and fights tooth and nail every home game would be a start, and a winning team would see a rise in crowds, I'm not saying they are the next Brisbane Broncos, but I can see a stronger team, team performance and a trophy winning side instilling a decent interest across a minority of Londoners, ie more attending games.

Spot on. I wish Quins would really concentrate on home performances and sack off away games as a chance to get players fully fit for home games.

The only possible matches you could have seen on telly were the games against Catalans, Huddersfield and Salford. One win where they kept the opposition to a score in the last few minutes, one spirited defeat against a top side and one insipid defeat against a team that is expected to challenge for a play-off position.

So I would say that it is unfair to say that he has never coached anyone, in fact it was a childish thing to say.

Exactly. Winning at home and playing good rugby is the key to bringing in crowds. Sadly the abject performances of the last three seasons is starting to put off even the diehards. We'll only get them back with a strong end to the season, sadly I can't see that happening.

Incredible. Another lets all hate Quins thread with the ususal half minded arguements against a team from outside the heartlands.

Lets keep RL to the areas where its wanted. What a regressive and stupid arguement. What have the traditional teams actually done to develop the game beyond their own backyard. Very few professional teams have any desire to do anything than to keep themselves going. Many with very little success. The RFL has never had a clear strategy for growth it has only ever been about individuals who wanted to develop other activities who have helped the expansion. Fulham starting up was never an approach from the RFL establishment to expand the game just an opportunistic approach from down south. Doncaster, York, Workington and Whitehaven - planned growth? Supported by the game, well not really and boy are they thriving if crowds are the benchmark. the London experiment off and enjoy a few more years before financial reality bites. Wigan is supposedly one of the biggest names in the game RL but has hardly sparked growth of the game in surrounding towns. Blackburn, Preston, Burnley all thriving hotbeds ain't they. St Helens and the impact on Liverpool is - well negligible. Again where is the spread of the game to Barnsley, Grimsby as an example? RL remains a marginal sport in the north at best.

On the other hand Quins and Skolars have supported growth in the amateur game, colleges, universities and local schools in London. How many new schools and teams are there playing the game in this area? (others could indicate) In the SL era can the traditional teams demonstrate their impact on the sport and to spread the game.

Lets add Crusaders and Scorpians to the list and the amateur game developing in Wales. If the traditional clubs can point to the same sort of impact in the surrounding areas then fine. If you can't why not start to make the impact you should be.