I am a Giants fan and even i laughed at that.

yes ... are you a wigan fan by any chance?


shenton, briscoe, s tompkins, graham, ellis, robinson, westwood

the players who stood out for us

Fielden is always the worst prop on any field.

which rating would you dispute?

I disagree. They let themselves down with their abysmal ball control and discipline in the first half. We piggy backed NZ into our own half with a penalty seemingly every time we had them in their own twenty, and we failed to complete nearly half of our sets.

When we kept things simple, looked after the ball and attacked round the ruck we turned NZ around and ended up creating space out wide for the likes of Shenton to exploit. At this point we looked capable of winning the game, but it was ultimately too much after the shocking first 45 or so minutes.

We shouldn't be congratulating ourselves on an above average performance because we fronted up to NZ for 30 mins. We should be very disappointed that for the rest of the game we were playing pub rugby.

Not sure about a O'Loughlin and Roby half back pairing! I'd go with:

1. Widdop
2. Hall
3. Gleeson, if possible
4. Shenton
5. Briscoe
6. Tomkins
7. Robinson
8. Fielden
9. Lunt
10. Graham
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin

14. Westwood
15. Roby
16. Carvell
17. Crabtree

What does a title won 2 years ago have to do with the team today?
They won the Title an will hold it until 2013 but that achievement has no bearing on todays team.
They won a game over 80 minutes and its great, are they the best team in the World now......
You are only as good as your last game.
They have not beaten Oz since that game and have even been beaten by perennial underachievers England.

I agree. He is wrong on quite a few. How Goulding can get a worse mark than Briscoe when he did far more work, made far more metres and was solid in defence is beyond me. Indeed he didnt do a single thing wrong on his debut. He was certainly a damn site better than Ryan Hall last week. Same with Widdop, he was no where near as bad as he makes out and was largely solid, bar one knock on. Shenton's defence was hopeless and apart from one run he was fairly poor and is far too greedy for a centre. Graham and O'Loughlin were very good and were our best forwards. Like you say his ratings have no credibility.

Ben Westwood deserves to start next week, even if it's at prop. He's been outstanding for each of the last 2 weeks, having always played well for England and deserves to have a go from the start.
I'd play Sam Burgess at 10 and Ben Westwood at 12.
The omission of Crabtree was baffling unless he is carrying an injury we don't know about and I'd pick him ahead of Griffin next week. I'd also be tempted to go for broke and pick Ben Harrison ahead of Fielden who was disappointing today and made a typical Fielden error right near the start of the game.
Atkins was badly exposed at left centre and I'd bring in either Cudjoe or Widdop in this position with Sam Tomkins moving to fullback - we've got nothing to lose so let's pick a positive team and play to our strengths.

What were you expecting Briscoe is an fantastic player, who just dosn't see enough ball. The only problem I have with him when he plays for England is you find yourself saying Briscoe was solid and did nothing wrong again, he needs to come looking for the ball more. They would have been better putting him in the centres when Atkins went off

Wouldnt disagree,Id go with Cudjoe at centre. Griffin at Super League level can do a job,at this level he's just a lump.
Its the half's I haven't a clue on.If Brown could kick he might be worth a place but he cant so i dont see what he can offer but whats the alternative.I dont think there Is one.

Still stunned at Brown's inclusion and today did nothing to justify it. In stark contrast to Robinson who really had a good go and lifted the entire side. Pretty disappointed with the pack to be honest. It's in the forwards where we're supposed to be expected to compete and most of them barring Graham & Westwood went missing. Sam Tomkins was lively and Tom Briscoe I thought looked very good when play involved him. Other than that well below par.