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| Quote: Cokey "Well I've agreed with you from the start of your postings. I'm not sure how many times you have to repeat yourself, when same posters keep challenging you? However, I do enjoy reading your posts, and it feels great that we've got rid of TWP from the championship. ![]()
Well take care my friend - the Championship may get them back next season  They say the table does not lie and as it stands they are stood on the trap door, and your club are on the top rung of the ladder to Superleague. I was at Headingley for the Championship final a few years back when Leigh won the division in style against Fev. There was no promotion then but when you did get it, who can forget the 50 points you stuck on Wigan. To get relegated when you did not come bottom was a travesty.
Derek Beaumont obviously put a lot of investment in Leigh and he was the one that challenged the salary cap that restricted Championship clubs to a £Million spend. He got that lifted but it was Argylle who used that to muscle his way to SL with his wallet, with Mr. Beaumont having to just stand aside and wait whilst they went up without a single promise fulfilled on players or TV deals just a load of hot air that insulted most people's intelligence. It will be some sort of justice if each clubs respective current league positions remain the same at the end of the season.
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| Quote: Donnyman "Well take care my friend - the Championship may get them back next season ![]()
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| Quote: Donnyman "Thanks for your intervention. My bad, I did notice Mr. Capdouze had not posted for weeks, and took the "newcomer" at his word. but yes, his reply to me and his reply to you is unmistakable. Anyway attendances at the games at Salford and Wigan have dispelled the myth about how attractive and glamorous TWP are, but I do think the performance of their players at Wigan was highly commendable - albeit they are highly paid and may well have been reminded of this by McDermott on the orders of Argylle.
But as is the way of these forums nobody will admit they were wrong, and the current idea to excuse their struggles is that they are "finding their feet" and are currently disadvantaged by playing "away" every week 
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| Quote: Donnyman "It's my pleasure, in 2017 it should have been Widnes down and HKR up. At that time Mr. Beaumont was enthusiastic and philanthropic whilst Mr. O'Connor had lost interest at Widnes. The horrendous system Blake Solly dumped on Superleague was so damaging that it cost us what should now be a solid Superleague club in Leigh. Leigh's attendances were better than Fartowns, Wakey's, Widnes's and Salford's........The solly folly also allowed TWP in as AFAIK the SL clubs had to sign an agreement with the RFL to let the Championship winners go up without hinderance for the course of the current SKY deal.
Which means Leigh can't be turned down if they win the Championship this year!! But Lenegan will well remember WIGAN.v.LEIGH 2017 15,700 attendance.........A bit better than Wigan's last home game ![]()
Quite true, well said.
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| Quote: Donnyman "It's my pleasure, in 2017 it should have been Widnes down and HKR up. At that time Mr. Beaumont was enthusiastic and philanthropic whilst Mr. O'Connor had lost interest at Widnes. The horrendous system Blake Solly dumped on Superleague was so damaging that it cost us what should now be a solid Superleague club in Leigh. Leigh's attendances were better than Fartowns, Wakey's, Widnes's and Salford's........The solly folly also allowed TWP in as AFAIK the SL clubs had to sign an agreement with the RFL to let the Championship winners go up without hinderance for the course of the current SKY deal.
Which means Leigh can't be turned down if they win the Championship this year!! But Lenegan will well remember WIGAN.v.LEIGH 2017 15,700 attendance.........A bit better than Wigan's last home game ![]()
I don't know what your issue is but I have only ever been respectful and courteous towards you, I even agree with some of your points re Toronto. In reply, I get accused of being someone else, my valid points ignored. That's not moving anything forward.
If you and your other mate are so offended that I brought up low attendances of English clubs, have a look at your favourite site, TRL, there's a whole thread discussing the topic. It's not just me.
Also well done to Leigh if they get promoted. But lets not kid ourselves here, their promotion will not be regarded ''expansion'' either.
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| Quote: The Silent H "I don't know what your issue is but I have only ever been respectful and courteous towards you, I even agree with some of your points re Toronto. In reply, I get accused of being someone else, my valid points ignored. That's not moving anything forward. Well done to Leigh if they get promoted. But lets not kid ourselves here, their promotion will not be regarded ''expansion'' either.'"
Really? Superleague is currently a league with a 10 club English content.
Should Leigh be promoted, Superleague will have another English professional club that will (1) run a player development system to expand the player pool and will (2) attract more English fans to subscribe to the TV deal and expand that income and (3) see hundreds of Leigh fans attend away games and expand attendances. Those first two factors are the definition of expansion accepted by Toronto when they joined the RFL, and say an average of 500 travelling Leigh fans will expand attendances here significantly.
So your incapable of debate if you cannot accept those three simple facts the first two accepted by Mr. Argyles club, facts that were accepted by Mr. Perez and later Mr. McDermott when he accepted that TWP would not be adding any quality North Americans to the player pool. (don't start being silly quoting Ngwati) nor adding any money to the TV deals....and whilst in SL not bringing any away fans- with attendances so far dispelling the stupid made up myth that TWP will attract a big following here..
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of paying TV viewers for SKY....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of pro player development here....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of travelling fans expect 3,000 at Wigan
Whoever you are you adopt exactly the same pose most so called expansionists take that if some rich guy finds 17 players from Leigh, take them to Mali in Africa, and dress them up in Timbuktoo shirts then takes Wigan's Superleague place that is "Expansion" It's not, it's ridiculous as is the crazy idea of flying two teams out to Canada at great cost to pretend they play and watch RL in Canada in any number. Get back in yer beer tent. |
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| Quote: Donnyman "
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of paying TV viewers for SKY....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of pro player development here....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of travelling fans expect 3,000 at Wigan
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Once again, your "facts" aren't right.
A footprint is the overall size of the mark left when a foot touches the ground, therefore, Leigh would already be included as part of the "footprint" along the M62 corridor.
You are 100% right about travelling fans from Toronto to England, However, in terms of numbers watching the SL games, replacing Leigh for Toronto will reduce the overall number of fans watching SL.
As for Sky subscriptions, this could be interesting - firstly, how many Leigh fans currently have sky sports and pay to watch RL and how many fans of other clubs tune into watch Toronto games v Leigh fixtures. Right now, with Toronto being something shiny and new, I would suggest that more viewers are tuninig in to watch Toronto than there were watching Leigh when they were last in SL and although these numbers may well drop if Toronto remain "easybeats", I'm sure that Sky will be making more money from Toronto games than they are from all but the "big games"
However, the important issue is whether Sky are increasing their TV revenue (in terms of advertising) with the inclusion of Toronto and
do the wider public tune in to see Leigh on TV or Toronto ?
The big issue where we absolutely agree is regarding player development and it's imperative that Toronto or any other "expansion club" have a cast iron plan for player development and that they adhere to it.
It seems ridiculous that SL clubs have to have X number of home trained players but that there is nothing in place to ensure that any "new "clubs
fully commit to having any. Ultimately, without this, the game will die.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
[i[i]"A footprint is the overall size of the mark left when a foot touches the ground, therefore, Leigh would already be included as part of the "footprint" along the M62 corridor".[/i[/i]
WRONG. I am talking about the footprint of PROFESSIONAL SUPERLEAGUE CLUBS IN ENGLAND. Leigh aren't that YET.
[i"You are 100% right about (no) travelling fans from Toronto to England" [/i
Thank you.
[i"In terms of numbers watching the SL games (on TV), replacing Leigh for Toronto will reduce the overall number of fans watching SL"
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WRONG I am talking about real fans who pay real subscriptions to SKY. Leigh fans will buy subscriptions with money - Toronto fans can't buy these subscriptions. Have you swallowed the ridiculous claims TWP made about 80,000 (or whatever it was) fans around the world following and watching them on social media
[i"Do the wider public tune in to see Leigh on TV or Toronto ?"[/i
I'm sure Toronto attracted a big viewing bonus for SKY on the double header, I am sure fans are still fascinated by TWP despite them being rock bottom of the table. But you tell me how long people will be diving across the living room carpet to switch on SKY when TWP are on towards the end of this season? Failed novelties wear off quickly don't you agree?
But here is the bottom line. Superleague do not want Toronto. Danny Lockwood states this and states that SL rigged the fixtures so Toronto's first five matches were against last years top five SL clubs. He states the SL clubs didn't have to be so hardline on TWP's player shortage either.
You forget the RFL negotiated TV deal has a season and a half to run. After that Superleague will be taking over the whole deal and dictating the set up. Do you really really think Lenegan will be keeping Toronto in Superleague and leaving out Leigh? You could not be more wrong on that one, thanks for the reply
Toronto are dead men walking.
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| Quote: Donnyman "
Whats your take on London Broncos? They dont bring fans but from what i've read there is a high % of sky subscribers who reside in the south.
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| Quote: Donnyman "Really? Superleague is currently a league with a 10 club English content.
Should Leigh be promoted, Superleague will have another English professional club that will (1) run a player development system to expand the player pool and will (2) attract more English fans to subscribe to the TV deal and expand that income and (3) see hundreds of Leigh fans attend away games and expand attendances. Those first two factors are the definition of expansion accepted by Toronto when they joined the RFL, and say an average of 500 travelling Leigh fans will expand attendances here significantly.
So your incapable of debate if you cannot accept those three simple facts the first two accepted by Mr. Argyles club, facts that were accepted by Mr. Perez and later Mr. McDermott when he accepted that TWP would not be adding any quality North Americans to the player pool. (don't start being silly quoting Ngwati) nor adding any money to the TV deals....and whilst in SL not bringing any away fans- with attendances so far dispelling the stupid made up myth that TWP will attract a big following here..
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of paying TV viewers for SKY....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of pro player development here....
Leigh for Toronto will see Superleague expand it's M62 footprint in terms of travelling fans expect 3,000 at Wigan
Whoever you are you adopt exactly the same pose most so called expansionists take that if some rich guy finds 17 players from Leigh, take them to Mali in Africa, and dress them up in Timbuktoo shirts then takes Wigan's Superleague place that is "Expansion" It's not, it's ridiculous as is the crazy idea of flying two teams out to Canada at great cost to pretend they play and watch RL in Canada in any number. Get back in yer beer tent.'"
Ah yes, rl being played in Leigh, a town that can't get more than 5k average to a game and has been playing rl for generations, is really expanding the game.
Rugby league really took off the year that Leigh made it to super league. If only we knew then how good we had it. |
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| Quote: Cokey "Leigh averaged 6,521 when in SL. We Just fell short of retaining SL status,so who knows what the average would have been the following season if they wasn't relegated? hypothetical yes,but imo more would have attended. BTW - Wigan v Leigh at the DW Stadium attracted the 5th highest attendance of the regular season with a crowd of 15,699. ![]()
Why do you and your mate Donnyman consider anyone who has a different view to your own to be trolling? Are you both incapable of having an adult discussion?
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| Quote: Donnyman "
You assume Sky subscriptions will increase, did this occur when they last reached Super League?
There is no evidence to say that it will, because as another poster has already said, I would assume that if I was a rusted on ''real'' fan of Leigh and rugby league was my favourite sport, then I would already have a Sky subscription.
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| Quote: The Silent H "Why do you and your mate Donnyman consider anyone who has a different view to your own to be trolling? Are you both incapable of having an adult discussion?'"
You didn't give a view, you gave an insult (To Leigh Centurions),in which I responded with facts, so you never really entered a discussion did you old boy. |
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