i asked you about south shields and you ignored the question.

forgive my spelling but heres some more help :

some of the failed welsh clubs of 1907 were ebbe vale and methyr tiffald?

ha ha thanks fotr the lesson, you been looking at Wickipedia again?

and JB when i took photos of Craven Park i tried not to dawdle.

i just didnt feel safe in that part of hull

so you cant think of any examples of clubs that have done nothing for rl? we will assume there are none then.

You cant think of any examples of these 9non-existant it would seem) rellying on rfl handouts either?

so you think that populations size, the local economy, local goverment, competition from other sports and the era a club was formed has no bearing on how it will grow in comparison to another club thats seems a little silly to me but using your logic how come the perth rl club hasnt grown to the same extent as say melbourne? give you give me reasons why it hasnt or shall we just assume you dont have a clue what your talking about?

I'm not sure if your talking about the challenge cup or the club formally known as celtic crusaders but when did i mention either of them?

yeh alot of transvestites feel the same way walking down Holderness road!

and you know this how exactly?

So no club that isnt in sl is a success so if a team spread rl to new areas, produces local talent and has won trophies they are a success just because there not in sl? this parochial attitude explains why rl in australia is only strong enough to support one national tier.

And what has liverpool got to do with anything? or are have you just picked up a book to pull some random facts abouts english rl to try to give the false impression you have even a basic knowledge of rl in this country?

Did you read my post?

I said the top clubs average over this, Leeds is one of them.

You know nothing about RL in this country if you think Leeds could average 28,000. They are currently the most succesful team over a few years for quite some time and they don't fill their current stadium.

I don't think it should stay a minority sport, I love RL. It's just the way it is in this country.

Spot on.

Aus RL has no where near as much competition as RL in the UK does.

We have one of the biggest domestic sporting competitions in the world to compete with. The premier league is probably second to the NFL. RU is far superior in so many ways especially at international level. Cricket is massive at international level in this country. When Wimbledon comes around, everyone in the country could not care less about RL. The 3rd tier of English football is probably bigger than super league itself.

How does RL have a chance to expand? We can try and will continue to do so.... RL will never die in this country, but for people who want it to be a worldwide game or a nationwide game for the UK may as well give up now, although there are many things we can do.

Main areas to adress.

PNG
NZ
Cumbria
Toulouse
Paris
Wales
Scotland
Ireland
London
Tonga
Samoa

Some of the ones mentioned are places that love RL and they have no where near reached their potential.

From Paris downwards, there is a real chance to put RL on the map in those places as they are backgrounds and small success stories that give us hope.

Thats what I think of expansion. I am not interested in putting teams in Birmingham or Newcastle or anything like that, it will just fail. But imagine we could get an NRL team in PNG.... they love RL and it would be the biggest success in RL history. That would be a great step towards sorting the international game out.

RL dominance in australia didnt come about from poker machine revenue

for anyone to argue that is ignorant.

but as people can ignore the facts

RL was dominant in NSW around 50 years before poker machines were introduced

RL become dominant in queensland without poker machines being introduced

damn those pesky facts

take out the expansion clubs from NL1 and NL2, widnes because they can offer something back to RL, and its every other club in there really

lets play guess the failed club -

new ground, no significant increase in crowds, and despite supposedly being a chance at SL manage to get relegated, until the RFL change the rules