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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Maybe I didn’t phrase that as well as I could have.
By “attitude problem” I wasn’t really thinking if the traditional ‘petulant teenager’ attitude (though that’s exactly what Connor has).
I was more thinking about the number of times I’ve seen their players almost collectively stop bothering when they are behind on the scoreboard. That leads to them getting a right hammering rather than a routine loss and that’s then harder to put right the following week. Look at some of those defeats last season - 63 points, 62 points, 55 points, 44 points (twice) and 40 points. That’s a team that gives up when the going gets tough. On ability, they are too good a team to suffer so many heavy defeats, so if it’s not ability then it’s down to attitude.'"
i think if you have to answer to Manu M'au in the changing rooms afterwards, you're going to put in for the full 80
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| Quote the artist="the artist"i think if you have to answer to Manu M'au in the changing rooms afterwards, you're going to put in for the full 80'"
We’ll see.
Radford himself is no shrinking violet, but they didn’t seem to worry about answering to him in the changing rooms afterwards.
The one thing I would say is that FC might have signed enough players to change that culture across the team. Time will tell.
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| Funny people mention Radford as being a problem, but nobosy ever mentions Powell, who despite all the fanfare around him, hasn't really achieved much, apart from one season and even then they managed to bottle the big games.
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| Quote JonnoTheGreat="JonnoTheGreat"Saints
Wigan
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Cas
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Huddersfield
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Toronto
Wakefield'"
Trinity bottom again, it, hasn't happened yet but, like the Wire, it could be your year 
Apart form insisting on Wakefield at the bottom, the others aren't too bad though
Wigan
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Salford
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This is more like it 
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Funny people mention Radford as being a problem, but nobosy ever mentions Powell, who despite all the fanfare around him, hasn't really achieved much, apart from one season and even then they managed to bottle the big games.'"
You don’t see Cas give up like Hull do. I can remember one game since 2014 when Cas were well and truly trounced - the first game of 2018 against Saints.
That’s not to say Powell is perfect. Question marks remain about big-game mentality, and around some specific games that seem to go badly every year (St Helens and Catalans away).
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"You don’t see Cas give up like Hull do. I can remember one game since 2014 when Cas were well and truly trounced - the first game of 2018 against Saints.
That’s not to say Powell is perfect. Question marks remain about big-game mentality, and around some specific games that seem to go badly every year (St Helens and Catalans away).'"
I'm not just talking about just getting hammered I'm comparing Radford and Powell, lots on here mentioning Radford as the reason Hull wont do as well as expected, whilst no one ever mentions Powell, I dont understand why.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I'm not just talking about just getting hammered I'm comparing Radford and Powell, lots on here mentioning Radford as the reason Hull wont do as well as expected, whilst no one ever mentions Powell, I dont understand why.'"
I think it's because Hull FC, under Radford, are far too inconsistent. Massive defeats, massive victories and everything else in between. Whilst you can win a cup competition in this way, you can't expect to finish high enough in a league format to have a good tilt at winning a Grand Final.
Under Powell, Cas are pretty consistent. Cas don't ever seem to go on a 'bad run' and lose a string of games like Hull do (eleven loses in a row at the end of 2018, and one win from the last 7 games of the season in 2019). Runs like that suggest Radford cannot turn around a losing team, at least not until the following season! Compare that to Cas, who in the last three seasons have never lost more than two league games in a row, and I think you see one reason why people question Radford more than Powell as a coach.
Radford cannot get his team playing consistently, and he can't turn things around when the team is under-performing. Powell can, and it's why Cas have been in the play-offs consistently whilst Hull have not. And that consistency is also why Cas have finished above Hull for five of the six seasons the two coaches have been at their respective clubs. So to answer your question, that record is why people mention Radford as the reason Hull might not do as well as expected, whilst not many think the same about Powell.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Funny people mention Radford as being a problem, but nobosy ever mentions Powell, who despite all the fanfare around him, hasn't really achieved much, apart from one season and even then they managed to bottle the big games.'"
Yeah but Cas fans don`t constantly moan about Powell do they? Different club, different set of expectations (Historically, although they are probably now a lot closer than they once were). Sorry to say it but the conception of Radford comes from within your own fan base...
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I'm not just talking about just getting hammered I'm comparing Radford and Powell, lots on here mentioning Radford as the reason Hull wont do as well as expected, whilst no one ever mentions Powell, I dont understand why.'"
Powell turned a team of nobody's into a top 4 team. Even little Cas are. Still a top 4 team since 2016 or so. Yeh we bottled the GF but apart from that we don't really lose the big games. Having beat Saints in the 2017 semi final.
Where as Radford should be doing much better with his squad and facilities but just isn't. Apart from doing OK in the CC.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"I think it's because Hull FC, under Radford, are far too inconsistent. Massive defeats, massive victories and everything else in between. Whilst you can win a cup competition in this way, you can't expect to finish high enough in a league format to have a good tilt at winning a Grand Final.
Under Powell, Cas are pretty consistent. Cas don't ever seem to go on a 'bad run' and lose a string of games like Hull do (eleven loses in a row at the end of 2018, and one win from the last 7 games of the season in 2019). Runs like that suggest Radford cannot turn around a losing team, at least not until the following season! Compare that to Cas, who in the last three seasons have never lost more than two league games in a row, and I think you see one reason why people question Radford more than Powell as a coach.
Radford cannot get his team playing consistently, and he can't turn things around when the team is under-performing. Powell can, and it's why Cas have been in the play-offs consistently whilst Hull have not. And that consistency is also why Cas have finished above Hull for five of the six seasons the two coaches have been at their respective clubs. So to answer your question, that record is why people mention Radford as the reason Hull might not do as well as expected, whilst not many think the same about Powell.'"
I can honestly say that as a Hull fan, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. The inconsistency within our team has been a source of great frustration for a few years now and when you have a coach that openly admits that he doesn't know how to get the best out of his players, then where do you go from there??
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| Quote cas all the way="cas all the way"Yeh we bottled the GF but apart from that we don't really lose the big games. Having beat Saints in the 2017 semi final. '"
I think we do underperform in big games.
2014 Challenge cup final.
2017 Grand Final (and let’s remember how lucky we were to beat St Helens in the semi-final too).
2018 semi-final at Wigan. We were nilled. Never looked like scoring.
2019 play-off game against Salford. Again, nilled. Again, never looked like scoring.
We do lose the big games.
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