This is really sad, there won't be many Trin fans that don't welcome Cas getting a new stadium (but there will be some). We just want a fair crack of the whip. We also want that huge fridge to give the people something.

the RL family eh??

still not so much as a shovel on site there yet, be surprised if cas are playing there this side of 2020 or 2025 or ever

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"They have rubbish grounds by PL standards, but they're still relatively decent grounds. Everton are getting a new ground anyway.'" Yes and it's going down swimmingly..... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-39419843

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"They have rubbish grounds by PL standards, but they're still relatively decent grounds. Everton are getting a new ground anyway.'" Yes and it's going down swimmingly..... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-39419843

In an ideal world both teams would have been in new stadiums years ago but things went wrong along the way for both sides. If things can get sorted for both then that's the perfect situation.

I can't work this out, i agree, i wish all RL was played in 50k all singing and dancing stadiums to fanatic full houses.

"If things can get sorted for both then that's the perfect situation" what is the "perfect situation?

Leeds are funding the South Stand out of their own cash.

The details of the RL North Stand/football stand arrangement has not been fully revealed at the moment. However it appears to be being financed by a PFI-esque arrangement, whereby Yorkshire and Leeds have a stand built for them (on their land) by a third party investment house. The third party then rents this building to the landowners (Leeds and YCCC) for a period of decades.

Not sure Leeds were too fussed about this structure but a way had to be found to keep the debt off YCCC's books which is what this achieves.

The involvement of Leeds City Council is unclear - it looks pretty likely that they have provided some guarantees and may have introduced the third party as it's similar to how PFI worked in terms of keeping debts off the books. But it's very unlikely they will be stumping up any cash.

How much do you think Wigan council tax payers payed towards the lsv stadium?

We don't actually share , Man Utd ( and formerly Blackburn Rovers reserves ) reserves rent the LSV

They were not originally any part of the deal to build it , Leigh RMI ( formerly Horwich RMI who's shareholders had bought Hilton Park ) were the partner tenants at the beginning

And also for your information Wigan council didn't put any money into the building of the LSV , it was all funded by private investment and grant funding , the council provided the land , which had already been earmarked for private development

HTH

For the umpteenth time this thread.... Wakey are =#FF0000[size=150NOT[/size asking the council for money.

The land was taken out of greenbelt under the condition that a new stadium would be constructed on the site, after a certain amount of warehousing was occupied.

Once the land was out of greenbelt, the developers submitted a further planning application without the stadium, that the council then approved.

We want:
1) To know why the council saw fit to sidestep the ruling of the secretary of state and allow the developer to circumvent the original plan

2) Them to enforce their own damn planning laws.

If Wigan council didn't put any money into the stadium, they must be some of the best negotiators around, as they now own the stadium. Perhaps they should lead the brexit negotiations.

Genuine question, who did you get a grant from?

They don't actually own it , they underwrote the project initially and oversee the running of it via a trust and a stadium management co ( Im not 100% sure on the trust part , others will know more ) but they do own the land

It is/was all quite complicated with several grants and money from Greenbank development company

You have to remember we are talking about the whole site here , not just the stadium

Edit

Yes it seems they do own it , but they didn't provide any construction costs for the stadium

I am not a troll, do not have a deep hatred of Wakefield or have an axe to grind, but I'd like a grounded Wakefield fan i.e. not Vastman to answer the following questions in an impartial manner without looking at my username and thinking this is an attack on the club from a rival. I'd like educating please (there's a first for a Cas fan

) so I can have a full clear view of the full facts rather than what P.Box/WMDC have or haven't done over a set period. I think a lot of people in this thread are confused and suspicious as it's only a certain timeframe that Wakefield fans are wanting to bring up.

I'd like to to ask:

-Why do Wakefield not own Belle Vue? Who did they sell it to and when, and what happened to the money?
-There are rumours amongst some Castleford supporters that in the early 2000's Wakefield council helped Wakefield Trinity by either giving them money to buy Belle Vue, or buying back the ground on their behalf then leasing or selling it back at a much reduced rate. Is there any truth in this?
-Again, there are rumours when Wakefield council offered £X million to both clubs to work on building a new stadium together, Wakefield turned it down and wanted to go alone. Is this true?
-What proof is there that Castleford get special treatment from Peter Box and Wakefield Council? Neither club seems to be further ahead than the other. Supposing the retail units are built at J32 but the stadium isn't enforced mirroring the situation Newmarket, does that mean neither club is favoured and that the council simply don't prioritise sporting facilities?
-Why did Rodney Walker quit, what does he know about the stadium issues, he was one of the most vocal but seemed to walk away and now seems to be absolved of anything to do with this saga.

I have every sympathy with Wakefield Trinity, and despite the press releases I am doubtful Castleford will get a new ground....I have a flyer in my possession from 1996 distributed by Cas with info on the new ground to be built at Whitwood....that's 21 years ago! I still wish both clubs [iand[/i WMDC had worked together to explore the possibility of a shared stadium near Normanton because I'm damn sure it would have been built by now.

On a final note I find it frustrating when non league football clubs (Maidstone, AFC Telford, AFC Flyde), averaging no more than 2,000 can get new stadiums built, while Wakefield and Castleford averaging 5,000 ish and 8,000 ish can't.