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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Yet last night Widnes were (allegedly) shafted by an (allegedly) Wakefield supporting ref.
It’s becoming a strange season, Cas were robbed at Huddersfield last week, Wakefield were fleeced against St’s a while ago.
I’m struggling to comprehend the RFL’s end game, what with point’s deductions & referee conspiracy theories, but there has to be one, doesn’t there?
Or maybe the referee’s do their best & like everybody else make mistakes'"
Too convenient!
You know that when something is not right or goes wrong it is never ever your fault or teams but someone else.
RL fans cry consistency but at times can't work out why in a game involving human beings and so many variables it's not like a computer game.
There is consistency though,fans blaming the match officials for their teams failure to score enough points to win a match. Perhaps, one day, they may realise that's what the players are supposed to CONSISTENTLY!!!
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| Quote Buggo="Buggo"I am guessing you are the same Fully from another Forum, what happened there? it just disappeared overnight.
I would love to know where those members are now and their names on other Forums.'"
If you mean RLF, the owner/person hosting it decided to end it hence the sudden overnight disappearance, sadly. Not sure of names on other forums sadly but do keep in touch with a couple.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Yet last night Widnes were (allegedly) shafted by an (allegedly) Wakefield supporting ref.
It’s becoming a strange season, Cas were robbed at Huddersfield last week, Wakefield were fleeced against St’s a while ago.
I’m struggling to comprehend the RFL’s end game, what with point’s deductions & referee conspiracy theories, but there has to be one, doesn’t there?
Or maybe the referee’s do their best & like everybody else make mistakes'"
Despite the paranoia of the modern RL fan, the refs are not biased, or acting on instructions from a higher authority, they are just human.
Yes, they make mistakes a plenty and yes, some of these, especially when magnified and dissected on Sky, seem like shockers but, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory with ref's.
However, our governing body IS capable of moving the goal posts and this remains a worry.
Our sport still has lo long term strategy and we continue to look for quick fix's for every problem, which makes the decision making from above extremely fickle, so expect the unexpected.
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| If there really was a conspiracy the smaller teams would be favoured and piggy backed to trophy wins to grow the competition and make it more exciting.
London would be piggy backed to survival, catalans to a grand final win to help the game explode in france.
Honestly these people that think the RFL have an agenda are complete f*cking morons.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Yet last night Widnes were (allegedly) shafted by an (allegedly) Wakefield supporting ref.
It’s becoming a strange season, Cas were robbed at Huddersfield last week, Wakefield were fleeced against St’s a while ago.
I’m struggling to comprehend the RFL’s end game, what with point’s deductions & referee conspiracy theories, but there has to be one, doesn’t there?
Or maybe the referee’s do their best & like everybody else make mistakes'"
I think it's much more simple than any conspiracy theory, and like you say referees do their best and make mistakes but the majority of the referees are of an incredibly poor standard and are not fit for purpose. While following my side this year iv seen some decisions that are laughable for a full time pro to make... Decisions such as a kick off that bounced dead and the defending side given a tap 20... Basic errors an amateur referee wouldn't make and it's not good enough. If we can criticise bad performances from chairmen, coaching staff and players why can't we criticise the poorest part of the domestic game ???
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| As a Hull fan i'm now looking over my shoulder and becoming concerned, our form and level of performance is awful, and due to the KC's pitch being re-laid we've played the majority of our home games already, most of them against last seasons bottom 6.
Bradford's points deduction should mean we still survive, but if they get that decision overturned then it is going to be tense times at the KC this summer.
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| Quote Cas Till I Die="Cas Till I Die"I think it's much more simple than any conspiracy theory, and like you say referees do their best and make mistakes but the majority of the referees are of an incredibly poor standard and are not fit for purpose.'"
What is the standard? Cas must win at all costs and if they don't it's someone else's fault but never ever the players. That is a standard that wont sit well with with other teams. Please define the standard you believe should be applied across the RFL.
Also how do you define fit for purpose? Is it again that only Cas can win.
Quote Cas Till I Die="Cas Till I Die" While following my side this year iv seen some decisions that are laughable for a full time pro to make... Decisions such as a kick off that bounced dead and the defending side given a tap 20... Basic errors an amateur referee wouldn't make and it's not good enough..'"
Again I ask what standards you expect, what is the difference between an amateur and a full time match official. I also assume that that when Cas players make mistakes they are not of a high enough standard and not good enough by whatever definition/standards you apply.
Quote Cas Till I Die="Cas Till I Die" If we can criticise bad performances from chairmen, coaching staff and players why can't we criticise the poorest part of the domestic game ???'"
Are you positive that match officials are the poorest part of the domestic game. Again it's down to the definition standard and yours is Cas must win at all costs. Of course there should be criticism. People learn and do take note of what is said which may come as a shock. Do you HONESTLY believe that all match officials are not neutral and anti Cas?
All the match officials are different, just like the players, coaches fans et al. What you seem to be implying that if , for example, Kevin Sinfield is a high percentage goal kicker, all the rest should be the same, or that if Carney the Cas winger can run 100 metres in 10 seconds everyone else has to be able to do the same. Is that what you want because you may as well howl at the moon as it will not happen, there are too many variables.
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| Quote UllFC="UllFC"As a Hull fan i'm now looking over my shoulder and becoming concerned, our form and level of performance is awful, and due to the KC's pitch being re-laid we've played the majority of our home games already, most of them against last seasons bottom 6.
Bradford's points deduction should mean we still survive, but if they get that decision overturned then it is going to be tense times at the KC this summer.'"
 Nice post but, unfortunately, you will not be going down.
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| Quote Leaguefan="Leaguefan"What is the standard? Cas must win at all costs and if they don't it's someone else's fault but never ever the players. That is a standard that wont sit well with with other teams. Please define the standard you believe should be applied across the RFL.
Also how do you define fit for purpose? Is it again that only Cas can win.
Again I ask what standards you expect, what is the difference between an amateur and a full time match official. I also assume that that when Cas players make mistakes they are not of a high enough standard and not good enough by whatever definition/standards you apply.
Are you positive that match officials are the poorest part of the domestic game. Again it's down to the definition standard and yours is Cas must win at all costs. Of course there should be criticism. People learn and do take note of what is said which may come as a shock. Do you HONESTLY believe that all match officials are not neutral and anti Cas?
All the match officials are different, just like the players, coaches fans et al. What you seem to be implying that if , for example, Kevin Sinfield is a high percentage goal kicker, all the rest should be the same, or that if Carney the Cas winger can run 100 metres in 10 seconds everyone else has to be able to do the same. Is that what you want because you may as well howl at the moon as it will not happen, there are too many variables.'"
Where have I ever stated that referees are 'anti cas' ??? And wtf has my post got to do with cas ???
I'm speaking as a RL fan that goes to almost (if not) every game from my team and watches all SL coverage on sky and the standard of referees have never been lower in my lifetime. That's how I would compare standards with the amount of ridiculous wrong decisions now compared to at any other time iv watched the game. As I said in my previous post some ridiculous mistakes have been made this year in almost every game iv been to there has been an example of incompetence.... SL is meant to be the pinnacle of RL in the northern hemisphere so let's try to provide elite players with elite referees.
Your whole point seems to be that referees try their best so leave them alone regardless of how incompetent or how many mistakes are made, I'd rather the issue be addressed and something done to raise standards.
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| Being honest, I don't think the referees are as bad as we all think, despite the repeated abuse I scream at them on match-days!!
I do get peeved with those that got to VR for virtually EVERY decision, grow some balls!
We perhaps shoud, as we do with teams have a league system with points based on mistakes, the fewer points the higher in the league etc.
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| If I had to list the things that I dislike about attending games these days, right at the top would be having to listen to all the morons who sit around me and shout and complain about every single decision that goes against us, regardless how obviously correct it is. I know people are passionate and get caught up in the moment, but I sometimes wonder if we are watching the same game. People who think the RFL have an agenda against their club are even worse.
Is the standard of reffing as good as it could be? No it's not, but they are always working to improve. Just the same as the players.
Fwiw I don't think the standard of refereeing is that bad at all. Modern rugby league is a ridiculously hard game to police, it's played at 100 hundred miles per hour, there are about 100 ways to commit a foul, and you need eyes in the back of your head. Throw in the fact that every mistake you make gets looked at frame by frame and discussed in great depth on Sky and it's a bloody hard job. For the most part I think they do okay.
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| Quote Mr. Zucchini Head="Mr. Zucchini Head"If I had to list the things that I dislike about attending games these days, right at the top would be having to listen to all the morons who sit around me and shout and complain about every single decision that goes against us, regardless how obviously correct it is. I know people are passionate and get caught up in the moment, but I sometimes wonder if we are watching the same game. People who think the RFL have an agenda against their club are even worse.
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F*cking A.
So sick of hearing screams of ''OW MUCH DID THEY PAY YER GANSON, YA BLIND GET!''
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