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| Quote: Durham Giant "You could always use the full quote which is correct '"
It is? Where is the study? Where are the results? What was the method?
Quote: Durham Giant "but if you used the full quote you would not be able to make yourself look clever.'"
It'd be less effort to stand next to you with my mouth shut. I cut the guff without changing the meaning, but since you insistVery few Phd's use the title Dr outside of academia it is seen as being a bit pretentious otherwise.'"
Absolute gibberish. It may be your personal experience but it is very far from mine. I have worked with many PhDs both in and outside academia and come across very few who don't use their title in their professional lives.. The only person I knew to be a PhD who didn't use it professionally was a former partner of mine and she only did it because she preferred to be underestimated.
I'd accept it if you'd drawn the difference between the personal and professional life, but to say that PhDs don't use their titles is nonsensical. Many do, many don't.
It says nothing at all about a Koukash most of us only know through the press, and who himself became known because of his professional life, that he has become known to RL fans as "the doctor".
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "
Tim Sheens!
What’s he waiting for, kick Nobby to the curb I say, an antipodean dinosaur is obviously better than a British one.'"
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Isn't it a bit weird that somebody like Sheens would be willing to wait on this as a reserve option?'"
Steady on, kids. The source for this was the Manchester Evening News, colloquially known as the Manchester Evening Speculator. Their [imodus operandi[/i when it comes to Rugby League is to randomly throw names and stories around. Some hit, some miss.
The man Marwan wants for the job is Brian Noble, and he is prepared to wait. For now.
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| So to sum up, Koukash thinks Noble is gash at his existing job, but is simultaneously THE best man on the planet for this new job. Why, he's even better than some world renowned rugby league god who is a household name but would still only be second best to Noble.
It makes perfect sense to me.
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| Quote: vbfg "
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I'd accept it if you'd drawn the difference between the personal and professional life, but to say that PhDs don't use their titles is nonsensical. Many do, many don't.
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If you had used the full quotes you would se that i said they tend to use it
Very few Phd's use the title Dr outside of academia it is seen as being a bit pretentious otherwise.
You might use it in a relevant enviroment such as work specifically related to say Engineering work eg like Marwan would use his doctorate in Engineering when engaging in Engineering type work or discussions. As i understand it he does not use it in everyday life.
So i stated they use it in academia or in a relevant work enviroment . Very few use it as a general moniker outside of these two specific enviroments.
Wow i am impressed you went out with someone who had a Phd.
My wife is a Dr with both a medical doctorate and and a Phd doctorate. If you insist maybe i will start introducing my wife as Doctor doctor. All the other Phd's i know do not use the title Dr except in very specific circumstances. When doing a CV for a job, publictations, lecturing / training. When applying for a bank loan or signing a court statement. NOt one of them ever uses it when booking a plane ticket to avoid being collared at 30,000 feet with a medical emergency.
If you look at etiquette in Britain very very few with Phds use the title doctor outside of specific enviroments as a i said academia or WORK . a quick google search would show this. ( outside of the Uk it is very different ie in mainland euprope and the US).
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "So to sum up, Koukash thinks Noble is gash at his existing job, but is simultaneously THE best man on the planet for this new job. Why, he's even better than some world renowned rugby league god who is a household name but would still only be second best to Noble.
It makes perfect sense to me.'"
Yes. That absolutely [imust[/i be it.
Another way of looking at it is that during the process of freshening up the coaching staff - a process which involved speaking to Iestyn Harris with a view to him becoming assistant to Brian Noble - Marwan realised that Nobby's skills and experience could be better employed in a much broader role within the club, a role similar to that previously occupied by Graham Lowe, but with a broader remit.
He views this role as essential and so, as any competent businessman would, has a contingency plan in place in case Nobby declines the offer. The Manchester Evening News has speculated that this involves Tim Sheens.
Doesn't sound quite so daft when you express it that way, does it?
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| You may all bow down and call me Lord.
Anyone asking how I earned the title, it was by the due process of winning a game of Catan.
I will allow the unwashed to stoop to using Sir, if they cannot remember which title I wish to bistow upon myself tomorrow.
Personally I like the title 'The Good Dr.' I think he should copyright it before some other upstart tries to pinch it like they did his name on twitter.
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| I have no idea how much he uses the title in the different roles he has... no one on here does unless that person inhabits academia, horse-racing, management training, rugby etc. and still has the time to post on here.
Many at Salford like the moniker. He appeared like a Dr Who to save us. He has had the presence of a medical doctor to mend a wounded club.
The amount I know of his life suggests that getting to that standing in academia is praiseworthy: most PhDs do not start as refugees. If he wants to wear the badge with pride, he has earned it.
So what? We know him as the doctor, I bet RL headquarters know him as something else.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "
To be fair, two of the women in my life are FCAs, formerly ACAs. Both of them have degrees from very good universities (not PhDs mind) and both of them say that the work getting their qualification absolutely dwarfed anything that university threw at them.
Popular RLFANS poster Dux is a Doctor of English Literature.
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| Much better to have a Good Doctor in charge at the club instead of [itumulo pueri[/i.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "I thought it was surgeons rather than consultants that switched back to Mr.? Or Mrs/Ms/Miss. Snobbery is everywhere though. I've heard other senior clinicians refer to surgeons as meat technicians a couple of times. '" Apparently the [iMr[/i thing with surgeons harks back to when the doctor would call the local barber to [ibleed[/i his patient as a form of anaesthetic before a procedure.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Very few Phd's use the title Dr outside of academia it is seen as being a bit pretentious otherwise.'" To be fair, I don't often introduce myself as MR Offside Monkey.
However, I can imagine Eddie when he's chatting referring to, say, the Wigan coach as Mr. Wane to add a certain drama.
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| Quote: bezzerscr "Maybe that's where you went wrong he uses his qualification and becomes a rich business man and racehorse owner and you didn't and became a wage slave.'"
And of course you know what my net worth is and from whence my wealth comes - impressive.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "
Wow i am impressed you went out with someone who had a Phd.
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You took my anecdote of someone not using the title in a professional environment as an attempt to impress you? As I said, one only has to stand next to you with their mouth shut...
Quote: Durham Giant "
If you look at etiquette in Britain very very few with Phds use the title doctor outside of specific enviroments as a i said academia or WORK . a quick google search would show this. ( outside of the Uk it is very different ie in mainland euprope and the US).'"
Agreed. Britain is notoriously free of class distinctions and your finger in the air guestimate carries tremendous weight, particularly with the "see Google" citation to back up your rigorous research.
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| If Marwan wants to call himself Doctor (or anything else for that matter) then surely that's up to him (as long as he's entitled to). It really is no concern of anyone else (unless of course they're just jealous of him).
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| I have also noticed that a certain Gallifrean timelord also likes to refer to himself as "The Doctor" without any proof that he is either a medical doctor or has a relevant PhD in any accepted academic subject, let alone restricting it use use a respective academic environment! How dare he get away with this and on a national television show to boot!*
* The above rant makes about as much sense as most arguments on here make in relation to Marwan Koukash and his actual and/or reported usage of the term "Doctor".
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