after reading all the fans comments on hear about the new set up it looks like half understand and half do not half like and half hate it, so lets have 12 teams in each and P/R at the end of the season because in a year or 2 that's what will happen when the crowds fall, has fans give up on it

That's what we are having, only the P&R is not automatic, it depends on the playoffs

For season ticket purposes 8 SL1 clubs will have 14 home games and 4 will have 15. The simplest solution is for everyone to sell a 14 game package and make the last game "pay on the gate" for the teams who were in the top 4 at the qualifying point.

For the top 8 SL1 clubs home fans this means they get to see 11 SL1 clubs (pre-split) plus 3 or 4 of the top 8 again (post split) - which means in theory they will see a higher quality of opposition and more intense games overall so more interest, more pay on the day fans, more away fans etc.

For the bottom 4 SL1 clubs home fans, they get to see 11 SL1 clubs (pre-split) plus 3 other games. Assuming at least 1 is against a fellow bottom 4 SL club, then they are only going to get to see 1 or 2 championship clubs at home. This is no different to now, since 2 current SL1 clubs will be playing in the Championship next year and are likely to be in that dvision after the 2015 mid-season split.

For the Championship top 4, they will get their regular rounds and then get to host SL1 clubs for probably 2 games, plus have a shot at promotion. This increases interest and revenue for all of them so I can see why they are so keen.

The target for Championship clubs is to finish 5th in the SL2 comp to get that one-off game against a SL club. In effect what SL2 does is create a final game play-off between the worst SL1 club and the best Championship club. The bonus to the championship club being that they will have had several weeks to practice and prepare against the bottom 4 SL1 clubs which should increase their chances.

That is a very good summary. What it also does is give a chance to a Championship club (including the 2 relegated SL clubs) who have improved their playing strength (using an increased salary cap) an opportunity to gain automatic promotion without the need for a playoff game. This is of particular note if any of the 12 SL clubs have done the opposite (as Fax did in 2003) and allow their playing strength to significantly diminish.

How does any of that bring them closer to the top of SL?

How do QPR get close to Man Utd & City? How can they match the top four?

They can't you tool. Ask them if they care. Ask them if they still love football.

I can't wait for Eddie and Stevo to explain it.

And Brian Carney's outrage when a Championship team walk out on the same pitch as a Super League one. He'll be scraping the sh** off his shoe as he remonstrates on the sidelines.

Again some definative statements like Attendances will nose dive.

I do think this is more reflective of their own outlook on the game rather than the majority of fans.

You can't impose your own attitude on the rest of the population and say well everyone will do the same as me. Everyone will react differently to the situation and if reckon you can predict what 100,000's of people will do, then become a stock broker and make your millions. As it's easier to predict the movement of share prices than it is to predict human behavior, to something which most people have admitted has never been tried before in this country.

Take out the absolutes....

Nicely put. I heard that men in white coats were looking for Barfield and Wood.

on a rainy Sunday in September. They need the Press Gang out to get them to Barton Bridge.

I'm not expecting huge shifts in away fans to be honest. But again you say it will. How do you know for a fact??? Predicting the future is in the realms of con artists and crazy people.

Past performance is no indication of future predictions. But here we don't even have past performance to go on, yet people feel confident to predict with full confidence.

There are three possibilities. Attendances will increase as more Fax fans will turn up with something to play for rather than hitting a brick wall at the end of the season.

Attendances will drop as Fax fans will expect a hammering and can't be bothered going.

Attendances will remain the same as the same people will be attracted by a game of RL regardless of the structure.