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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"A) the example works equally well with Chelsea. Now Chelsea have gone away, struggled for success over the last couple of years, after initially bursting onto the scene with oil money, and are now starting to develop (albeit still bought in) their own talent like de bruyne and van ginkel. Maybe it was unfair to use city, I was merely doing so for the sake of contrast.
B) never. Doesn't mean I can't form an opinion on him. I never met hitler but I'm sure I don't like him.
C) your making my argument for me? By saying noble is head of recruitment making all these "none star signings" is my point. Noble is Doug a good job at building a relatively strong team for next year, but how much is going to be wiped out if koukash decides he wants Shaun Johnson? (For example) the buck would stop with koukash, he would get his headline, and noble would have to get on with it, and my point is I don't think koukash has any regards for a squad. If he signed some of the players he has mentioned in the last few months you would in a squad of 25 have : smith, chase, Fages Sneyd, Johnson, Eastmond - all as halfbacks - that's not squad building that's just signing people because he can.
Notice: I didn't say noble would make these signings.
D) halfbacks support is generally the forwards protecting them, but even if that's the case, I could empathise and understand the signing of another, older more experienced halfback to guide the two of them around for a couple of years. Signing both limits opportunity, and buries them as opposed to drowning them. And there are lots of examples of 18-20 year olds proving they're ready to step up.
E) Myler may of been a bad example, given the Salford connection, but my point was, in 2010, when Myler signed, Warrington could of gone after virtually anyone with the money they were offering, they chose a young player, who could be supported by the team around him, and helped by the likes of briers to improve his game, and they should see the dividends of that in the coming years.
F) I know koukash has also spent a lot of time talking about improving facilities etc he's not a complete imbecile and knows sport requires such things, but even that needs to be turned into a self promotion event. You have players who have potential to develop already in the team yet are choosing to ignore them because they're not koukash products. Developing players requires game time as well as facilities.
I know my opinion of koukash is not a popular one, but it's my opinion. Doing things like announcing "were gonna sign a player whose name begins with h and plays for a team that starts with w" makes him sound no better then "insiders" on here desperately clawing for attention.'"
You are perfectly entitled to dislike Koukash but let's not pretend your personal dislike isn't entirely the basis for your opinion of him as an owner.
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| The simple fact is that Dr Koukash will clearly never know a fraction of what it takes to run a successful club as the majority of posters to these forums do. The sooner he learns this & scuttles away from our cash-rich sport the better.
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| The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...
I'm loving the ride and I don't wanna get off !!!!!! 
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"A) the example works equally well with Chelsea. Now Chelsea have gone away, struggled for success over the last couple of years, after initially bursting onto the scene with oil money, and are now starting to develop (albeit still bought in) their own talent like de bruyne and van ginkel. Maybe it was unfair to use city, I was merely doing so for the sake of contrast.'"
You are aware that they have won the Champions League and Uefa Cup over the last two years aren't you?
Here is their recent record
2005 1st in League, League Cup winner
2006 1st in League
2007 2nd in League, FA Cup winner, League Cup winner
2008 2nd in League
2009 3rd in League, FA Cup winner
2010 1st in League, FA Cup winner
2011 2nd in league
2012 6th in league, FA Cup winner, Champions League winner
2013 3rd in league, UEFA Cup winner
Not too shabby eh? Hardly a crisis if they have been winners or top 3 for nearly a decade.
And they have spent shed-loads of money on buying superstars whilst farming out their young players (30 loaned out this season) with the likes of Josh McEachrin and Romelu Lukaku unable to get a shot at the first team (despite both clearly being good enough) whereas they throw ridiculous amounts of money at a superstar in his final years of playing the game to lead their line up front. Incidentally McEachrin is the only English player who would merit first team status as all their star reserves are foreign players.
You should not use footy teams for your argument unless you are sure they merit the comparison.
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| Quote salford1970="salford1970"You are aware that they have won the Champions League and Uefa Cup over the last two years aren't you?
Here is their recent record
2005 1st in League, League Cup winner
2006 1st in League
2007 2nd in League, FA Cup winner, League Cup winner
2008 2nd in League
2009 3rd in League, FA Cup winner
2010 1st in League, FA Cup winner
2011 2nd in league
2012 6th in league, FA Cup winner, Champions League winner
2013 3rd in league, UEFA Cup winner
Not too shabby eh? Hardly a crisis if they have been winners or top 3 for nearly a decade.
And they have spent shed-loads of money on buying superstars whilst farming out their young players (30 loaned out this season) with the likes of Josh McEachrin and Romelu Lukaku unable to get a shot at the first team (despite both clearly being good enough) whereas they throw ridiculous amounts of money at a superstar in his final years of playing the game to lead their line up front. Incidentally McEachrin is the only English player who would merit first team status as all their star reserves are foreign players.
You should not use footy teams for your argument unless you are sure they merit the comparison.'"
Was just about to flag up the fact that Chelsea [istruggled[/i their way to the European Cup 18 months ago. Must have been horrendous for the fans. Hope Salford never endure such [istruggle[/i under Koukash after all the trophy laden years we've enjoyed recently.
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| I think Koukash has been a complete breath of fresh air and exactly what the game needs. I can't stand this warped general consensus in the game that you should come in, stick to the status quo ante and hope that in ten years you have developed a few decent home grown players.
In any other industry if someone comes in to save a failing business you expect them to make sweeping changes and fast. Yet in RL we still have this WMC attitude and simply for showing ambition and passion Koukash has received criticism from all angles. He may come out with the odd mad line but at the end of the day he is evidently an intelligent man, he knows how to get his name in the papers, very important when you have two of the biggest clubs in world soccer on your door step.
Personally I am excited to see how Salford get on this year, it has been a while since I have said that about any club.
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| Fine miss my point completely, and let's argue about football.
Given the money Chelsea have spent, they should be far more dominant then they have been. That's why the Benitez, di Matteo, villa boas, and ancelotti got sacked.
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| Quote roopy="roopy"Koukash needs to talk to Nathan Tinkler.
Tinkler actually knows about Rugby League and knew what to do with big dollars to set up a club.
First thing he did was buy the best coach in the game.
Second thing he did was buy the best trainer and support staff in the game.
Third thing he did was strike a deal for the use of top class training facilities.
After you have that in place the players all want to come to you and will sign for less than they would at a club where they are not getting the best possible coaching and training.
A couple of marquee players is good publicity and all, but the way to build a team is to start with the basics and do them better than anyone else.'"
A) First thing he did was buy the 'Most Successful ' coach in the game. Brian Noble
B) Second thing he did was buy the best trainer and support staff in the game -
Richard Hunwicks ( Head of Strength & Conditioning & Applied Sports Science at Salford Red Devils & England Knights,UKSCA Tutor, formerly with Leeds Rhinos, Wales RL & EIS) Rob Artingstall ( senior physiotherapist at Sale Sharks. consultant physiotherapist to Red Bull Extreme Racing & Mcr Spire Hospital ) Andy Hay ( Cas & Hull assistant ) Stuart Donlan
C)Third thing he did was strike a deal for the use of top class training facilities. -
Brand New Gym, Players Lounge & training faciliites just installed in the close season , Australia Trained there in the week leading up to the RLWC Final ..Showed SBW around the stadium last Sunday .
He must have talked to Nathan Tinkler then ?
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Fine miss my point completely, and let's argue about football.
Given the money Chelsea have spent, they should be far more dominant then they have been. That's why the Benitez, di Matteo, villa boas, and ancelotti got sacked.'"
Villas Boas got sacked because he p!$$ed off Lampard and Terry and they are the main men at that club.
Ancellotti left the club after winning the double and they really wanted to keep him but he had his eyes set on Madrid
Benitez was an interim appointment until the end of that season and he won the Euro league
Di Matteo got sacked after a run of games that resemble Chelsea's current season total. Don't forget he managed them to the champions league about three months before he was ousted.
Grant got sacked because he finished second place in the league.
Mourinho got sacked the first time around with results that resemble the current total.
The above is down to a meglomaniac chairman having a win everything at all costs mentality. Absolutely nothing to do with spending billions, just a mad russian with an itchy trigger finger, so to speak.
Again, if you are going to use a footy club as an analogy please try and get your facts right. And there is no need to huff when you are proven wrong.
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| Magic beetle, forgot to mention that several other clubs spent large (Man Utd, Man City, Spurs, Arsenal and Everton to a lesser extent) so surely all of these should have dominated.
Or Madrid should have won everything every year due to the ridiculous amount of money they spent?
Money doesn't buy success, but it can help.
Starbug hits the nail on the head with Salary Cap.
Get over it. It will be nice to have a different team trying to mix it with the establishment for once. Hopefully I can finally go to Wembley to watch Salford rather than GB/Eng/Any team that makes the CC Final.
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| It is easier to buy success in RL than football, in football the quality player pool is vast with quality players from all over the world available ( meaning everybody else can also buy the best ) also the ability to ' blend ' is more important, whereas in RL if you have the best players you will be the best
However the salary cap should prevent that from happening
Bring it on, I do hope Mr Koucash is able to build the club as well as the team
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