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| Quote Little Ivor="Little Ivor"1. The average attendance should be calculated for the 5 games that there have been so far, with a 45k attendance for each of the Cardiff games.'"
Actually, you work out an average attendance by taking the total number of people who have attended games and you divide it by the total number of games attended to discover the average.
FACT.....75,370 people have attended 4 events, but 5 games and therefore, the individual attendance average is 15,074.
Using your flawed formula for counting Double header attendances twice means that Sally Bolton's RLWC Target of 500,000 was 66% based on 2 events and 4 games
I am so looking forward to seeing 180,000 people packed into a 90,000 seat stadium for the semi-finals
Why is it that some RL fans are so insecure and fretful that they cling to the "double header" like a security blanket?....the 5 games so far have all been entertaining and pretty well attended....
As for your rant Little Ivor.  Chillax Brother....and enjoy the games 
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.
Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4 = 18,842.
Simples.'"
The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.
The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.
[u 75,307[/u people have watched [u 5[/u games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two [u FACTUAL AND ACTUAL [/unumbers.
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| This has to be one of the most tedious arguments in the history of western civilization.....................
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.
The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.
[u75,307[/u people have watched [u5[/u games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two [uFACTUAL AND ACTUAL [/unumbers.'"
You seem determined to pollute every thread with this nonsense, what a coincidence it conveniently matches your agenda. Your daft model insists on counting unique customers at this one single event but happily then allows the same unique person to be counted multiple times if they attend other pair of game combinations. And all because they got into these two Cardiff events on a single ticket? Statistical straw man nonsense. If the argument rests on how many individual fans attended games, you'd need to de-dupe the other matches too. Clearly that'd be a nonsense.
According to you if I buy a £70 combined ticket for the pair of matches in Cardiff, and then spend £30 on 2 x £15 tickets for the pair of PNG matches in Hull, I've only attended 3 games not 4? Even though the price of each game in Cardiff (£35) is more than double the price of each single game in Hull - so there's no withdrawing to the equally tenuous "you only paid for one match, the other was free" idiocy either...
Average attendance (the clue is in the title...) includes the 2 x 45k gates, aggregate sales might perhaps at a stretch include the 45k once - but even then I'd argue to be consistent you should combine tickets bought in other bulk buy price promotions too (there are several running). Really not that complicated matey.
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| This is simple
The average attendance will include 2x 45,000s as the attendance if both games was the same. This is universally accepted as calculating a double header. I can cite examples from Football, Baseball, Ice Hockey, Basketball, Rugby Union and other League games where this is done.
The average number of people attending will need gutterfax to speak to every person to find out if they intend to attend more than one game.
Attendance does not equal people attending. It is based on the terms of the sale of ticket not who turn up.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.
The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.
[u75,307[/u people have watched [u5[/u games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two [uFACTUAL AND ACTUAL [/unumbers.'"
Absolute nonsense.
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| Another 'gutterfax is too stubborn to admit he is wrong' thread.
Another thread ruined by a pathetic argument.
The attendance per game is calculated on the terms of the ticket. It was sold as a double header. Therefore people bought a ticket for both games. Whether they elect to watch it or not or not attend at all (corporates for example) the attendance will be the same.
The attendance average is the higher figure and will be the average of ticket sales.
The 'people attending' average is the lower average (calculated over one less fixture) and is not accurate.
The gutterfax average suits his argument and expect him to stick to it.
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| No matter how you mess about both Cardiff games had the 40k plus figure and should be treated independantly.
There is no other way of doing it.
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| Quote Little Ivor="Little Ivor"HOW F*****G HARD IS IT for both gutterfax and SmokeyTA to understand?!
1. The average attendance should be calculated for the 5 games that there have been so far, with a 45k attendance for each of the Cardiff games.
2. The aggregate attendance for the tournament should count the total crowd for the 4 events that there have been so far, counting the 45k once.
They're two separate things and really not that hard to deal with seperately.
Oh, and:
3. We're all getting REALLY fed up of the petty irrelevant sniping from both of you, do it over PM if you must.
Rant over
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How difficult is it for you not to understand that the 45K was the SAME crowd for BOTH games?? SAME people! Please stop trying to cover the turd in chocolate and accept it was a poor crowd!
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| RL fans love polishing turds. Deary me.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Absolute nonsense.'"
He's right. You cannot change the facts. 45K at both games, same people or did another 45k replace the first lot of 45K people? 
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| Quote Worzel="Worzel"How difficult is it for you not to understand that the 45K was the SAME crowd for BOTH games?? SAME people! Please stop trying to cover the turd in chocolate and accept it was a poor crowd!'"
You can't count it any other way though, it's pretty simple.
There is a big fixation with "attendances" at Rugby League, no one ever says at Athletics, hey look at the crowd, look at all the empty seats, and no one says, the crowd for the 100m is 3500, how can you count the same crowd for the high jump.
Get a grip.
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