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| Given that most would go with a 2 prop and 1 back rower bench then it's a question of how you use that last bench spot.
Personally would go straight swap at hooker and have McIlorum there, but.....
If you wanted something different, I'd ignore having Widdop or Burrow there. For the latter's style to work we need quick PTB's, won't happen against the Aussies without a natural hooker leading the forwards around.
As I've suggested before this year I'd use a ploy Leeds used back in the late 90's. Iestyn Harris (very similar to Tomkins in being the wow player of his day) would start at FB at Leeds with Powell at 6. Halfway through the match we would bring St. Hilaire off the bench for Powell, slot him in at FB and move Harris up to 6.
I reckon you could go that route with Hardaker coming off the bench.
Tomkins gets more hands on the ball and you introduced another exciting runner at FB. You could do it straight forward with Tomkins then moving out to defend wide like most halves or you could defensively leave him at FB with Hardaker out there as he has decent experience of defending around that area from his time at centre.
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| Given charnley's half d effort I'd have him out & get Briscoe in, he still offers more than both Hall & Charnley anyway.
Whomever said Tomkins over Chase is crazy, he'd effectively be stifled to play to the plan that Chase has being asked to. Also Sam isn't a better tackler either, watch again because Chase does very well, excellent classic one on one tackle. Tomkins can't tackle the skin off a rice pudding..
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2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Cudjoe
5. Hall
6. Widdop
7. Sinfield
8. Hill
9. Roby
10. Gurgess
11. Farrell
12. Ferres
13. O'Loughlin
14. Surgess
15. Graham
16. Hardaker/Charnley/Chase/Mossop/Turgess/Mcllorum/Westwood/Ablett
17. Burrow
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| The starting line up started the game well yesterday and i'd be reluctant to change that. The bench made no impact and that's where i'd make changes.
If S Burgess is suspended then O'Loughlin comes in to loose forward (if fit), if neither of those two are available then Westwood to LF and Farrell in to SR.
Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Chase
Sinfield
Hill
Roby
G Burgess
Westwood
Ferres
S Burgess
Graham
Farrell
Burrow
O'Loughlin/Mossop/Ablett
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| Funny how people noticed Westwoods penalty indiscretions but not his titanic defensive stint which was an astonishing effort.
The two players who should loose their places are Chase and Mossop. Without any doubt.
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| I'm not far off agreeing there Mark. Chase isn't cutting it.
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| I wouldn't move tomkins to 6 but we do need him to see the ball more.
No messing about now, we need to pick our best team each game,we need continuity.
Widdop is a waste of a bench spot, if he's decided Kev and Chase are his halves then it's just hard lines for Widdop, he can't shoe horn him in for the sake of it. Although i'd start Widdop
Don't understand why anyone thinks Briscoe is better than Charnley. We do need more impact off the bench so i'd class Sam Burgess as a prop.
1 Tomkins
2 Charnley
3 Watkins
4 Cudjoe
5 Hall
6 Widdop
7 Sinfield
8 Graham
9 Mcilorum
10 S Burgess
11 Farrell
12 Westwood
13 O'loughlin
14 Roby
15 G Burgess
16 Hill/Mossop
17 Ferres
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| I'm surprised people are putting Ferris on bench and starting Farrell. Ferris played well and didn't let anyone down IMO.
Hill and G Burgess both played well and neither deserve to be benched either. let Graham come of the bench.
Half backs. Honestly can't see him changing these about. part of me would stick with Chase/Sinfield. It worked for the 1st 20 until we made a few changes to front row and lost a bit of momentum. But I think I am right in saying in the Exiles game we played Sinfield/Myler with Chase coming of the bench. I think Chase could provide a little bit of "magic" coming of the bench after 30min and giving him a bit of a free role with Sinfield moved to 9
1 Tomkins
2 Charnley
3 Watkins
4 Cudjoe
5 Hall
6 Widdop
7 Sinfield
8 Hill
9 Roby
10 G Burgess
11 Ferris
12 S Burgess/Westwood (depending if banned)
13 O'loughlin
14 Chase/Mcilorum/Burrow
15 T Burgess
16 Graham
17 Westwood/Ablett (depending on S. Burgess)
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| I think we need to give Widdop 80 mins in these next 2 games. I'd spell Roby with Burrow or McIlorum with a view to using him for 80 mins in the semis and (hopefully) final.
For Ireland game (presuming Sam burgess has a ban):
Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Widdop
Sinfield
Hill
Mcilorum
Graham
Farrell
Ferres
O'Loughlin
Mossop
G Burgess
Westwood
Roby
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| Quote: whiston_warrior "Don't understand why anyone thinks Briscoe is better than Charnley.'"
I rate both very highly but next year when Briscoe is on the end of a far more expansive team in Leeds we may just see how good a winger he is
Quote: whiston_warrior "16 Hill/Mossop'"
After the weekend, Hill clearly far more suited to test match rugby than Mossop
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| I don't see any reason to drop Ferres, thought he had a good game. I would drop Chase, but I've always campaigned for Widdop to get a starting jersey. O'Loughlin comes straight back in at 13. There's no need for many changes. Continuity is important.
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| Quote: mark_m "Funny how people noticed Westwoods penalty indiscretions but not his titanic defensive stint which was an astonishing effort.
The two players who should loose their places are Chase and Mossop. Without any doubt.'"
Mossop stank and shouldn't be anywhere near next week. I was surprised because he's had a huge end to the season for us. I'd add Tom Burgess to your list as well. He is way behind George at this moment in time and isn't ready for this level.
On the plus side in the front row, George Burgess and Chris Hill were immense. If you consider all 4 props were making their big match debuts (discounting the exiles, France games etc), those two looked like pigs in muck running around whilst Mossop and T Burgess looked like rabbits in headlights.
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| I've always said this. Yes Ben gives away a lot of penalties, but just look at what he contributes, both in attack and defence. In terms of his work-rate, the man is an absolute machine. George Burgess and Hill were immense for us against Australia, again boding very well not just for this World Cup, but for the future of England.
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| Sorry to say this again. But Tom Burgess played most of the season in reserve grade in oz. How can he get a place above any good English prop?
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