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| Quote jesus-is-coming="jesus-is-coming"Please explain the flatcappers sucking the life out of him bit please?
Seeing as us flatcappers did not invent the salary cap us flatcappers did not invent the close shop mentality which is the franchise system
I have no objection to any multi millionaire/billionaire taking over any club and wishing to sign the best 13 players on the planet,be that club leigh, hemel hemstead, bramley
The thing stopping these clubs being taken over are your happy clappy super league rules,under our flatcap bad old days any one could invest what they wanted and take any club from the bottom to the top i.e wigan in the 80,s.Second division to world champions in a decade,what chance any lower level team doing that on the restricted happy clappy close shop???
Ah but clubs went broke...hmmmmm not like these days eh
So as I pointed out on a few other thread that once he realises the salary cap nonsense he will either try to change it or walk away as the top couple of clubs have got it boxed off under the current rules.
I f a club cannot improve under a owners leadership whats the point of him putting money in to scrap along the bottom.
Scrap the salary cap,raid union for there high profile players and down under for there stars if the owner is willing to fund it.'"
Yeah, if only lower league/poor clubs of the past 10/20/30/40 years could over the SL period have built themselves into decent sides with or without wealthy backers, if only it were possible under the oppresive, awful, soul-destroying SL evil rules, what would we call these mythical teams? Wakefield? Huddersfield? Warrington? Hull FC? Hull KR? Catalans? Nahh silly names, it could never happen.
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| Quote j.c="j.c"Quote j.c="Orrell Lad"I don't think he's saying anything like that at all.'"
of course its all guess work but it does seem odd that a club owner should moan about the SC when his club will be spending nowhere near the cap'"
Why wouldn't Salford be spending near the cap? You've lost me?
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| Dr Koukash's comments about us struggling to compete with NRL and RU for players due to the cap are not necessarily just about Salford and him wanting them to be the Chelsea or Man City of RL. Obviously the Salford club will be his primary concern as he wants to see an upturn in their fortunes. The issue of the salary cap and it reducing our relative competitiveness in wage terms against NRL and RU clubs though is one that potentially hampers all clubs. The issue is not merely with one newly rich club wanting to buy up the game's best but with all clubs' ability to keep hold of their own players when RU/NRL clubs come sniffing about.
If at the end of this year after the world cup RU and NRL combined decided that they wanted Sam Tomkins, Josh Charnley, Ryan Hall, Zak Hardaker, Tom Briscoe, Jonny Lomax, Stefan Ratchford, John Bateman, Keiron Dixon, Daryl Clark, Theo Fages, Eloi Pellissier (all just examples so no arguing over the merits of players listed please) our clubs would be in a very poor position to even hold onto those players, as RU particularly would be willing and able to offer silly money compared to what any RL club could offer under the cap. Our competition and our international squads would suffer greatly from such a raid. Some form of cap dispensation for 1 or 2 players per club would help this situation and providing clubs could afford it (whether through a rich owner or other means) then it may be a solution to what is likely to be an increasing problem with our talent being cherry picked. Dr Koukash is certainly not the first to call for some form of reforming of the cap and I am sure he won't be the last.
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| Quote Greg Florimos Boots="Greg Florimos Boots"So basically what he is saying is that Salford are already spending up to the salary cap and their team is still gash so he cant see any way to improve it because who wants to play for a poop team when he cant pay them over the top wages?'"
Do you actually follow rugby league? Have you seen the players Salford have? Even the local village idiot would be able to tell you that Salford are nowhere near the salary cap.
The good Dr seems to be a very astute businessman unlike our last board members. He feet are very much grounded. There's no way he will pay OTT wages to mediocre players.
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"It's funny seeing people talking down Koukash's ambition. Some people are clearly worried.
Koukash needs to invest heavily in player development in and around Manchester so he can produce (and attract) his own young stars over the years to pad out the squad with as good quality as possible. The better they get as a club, the more likely people will want to come.'"
This is why he's trying to broker a deal to purchase the stadium and surrounding land.
His aim is to build better training facillities, including a centre of excellence with on site boarding for the young players to live in. He fully understands that he needs a good youth system to make this work in the long term.
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| Quote Fungus The Muffin Man="Fungus The Muffin Man" There's no way he will pay OTT wages to mediocre players.'"
No, but he will have to pay OTT wages to entice good players to Salford and with a Salary Cap in place he's probably limited to about 3 signings - And we all know Salford need a lot more than 3 good players to get them competitive.
Salford's problem at the moment is that they have nothing which would appeal to a top player, bar the cash incentive....Low crowds, lousy squad - Can you imagine the talks with Tomkins had Wigan accepted their bid?....
'So you're telling me I'll be playing with a load of donkeys, be expected to carry them, and be playing in an atmosphere that resembles the moon??... Hmmm, I don't think so Mr Koukash '.... 
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I heard Koukash's comments as reported here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21642083 as they happened, but didn't catch Vievers' remarks. If that's accurate and Koukash is serious, I give Vievers until Monday lunchtime.
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I heard Koukash's comments as reported here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21642083 as they happened, but didn't catch Vievers' remarks. If that's accurate and Koukash is serious, I give Vievers until Monday lunchtime.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"No, but he will have to pay OTT wages to entice good players to Salford and with a Salary Cap in place he's probably limited to about 3 signings - And we all know Salford need a lot more than 3 good players to get them competitive.
Salford's problem at the moment is that they have nothing which would appeal to a top player, bar the cash incentive....Low crowds, lousy squad - Can you imagine the talks with Tomkins had Wigan accepted their bid?....
'So you're telling me I'll be playing with a load of donkeys, be expected to carry them, and be playing in an atmosphere that resembles the moon??... Hmmm, I don't think so Mr Koukash '....
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It's easy to laugh and mock when you've been watching Saints steamroller their way through SL for the past x amount of years.
Some one with vision will realise that being the first person to sign up for what potentially could be one of the best things to happen to Euro SL eventually is worth the risk.
I agree it will have to be a very brave player, but that player will also have a huge confidence in his own abilities and pulling power to help entice the beginning of the new era.
We all know Sam Tomkins is to much of a onetrick pony ehouse to have the balls to pull off something like that 
It's players with that brave vision who go on to become the greats of Rugby league.
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| Quote Fungus The Muffin Man="Fungus The Muffin Man"It's easy to laugh and mock when you've been watching Saints steamroller their way through SL for the past x amount of years.
Some one with vision will realise that being the first person to sign up for what potentially could be one of the best things to happen to Euro SL eventually is worth the risk.
I agree it will have to be a very brave player, but that player will also have a huge confidence in his own abilities and pulling power to help entice the beginning of the new era.
We all know Sam Tomkins is to much of a onetrick pony ehouse to have the balls to pull off something like that

It's players with that brave vision who go on to become the greats of Rugby league.'"
I follow Warrington actually....
I agree with what you say to an extent, but the reality is that Koukash is expecting far too much, too soon.
Using Wire as an example, Simon Moran started throwing his cash about in 2002 - It took him almost 10 years to see any reward for his efforts....The quality of signing was a steady improvement over that time - At the start, the quality of player we have now, simply wouldn't consider coming to Wire.
Koukash has to realise this isn't football - He cant just do an Abramovich. He desparately needs somebody to rein him in and advise him properly....Personally, I'd sack Vievers immediately and bring in Brian Noble.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"
Koukash has to realise this isn't football - He cant just do an Abramovich. .'"
Dont assume that is necessarily a good thing.
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| Quote Fungus The Muffin Man="Fungus The Muffin Man"Do you actually follow rugby league? Have you seen the players Salford have? Even the local village idiot would be able to tell you that Salford are nowhere near the salary cap.
The good Dr seems to be a very astute businessman unlike our last board members. He feet are very much grounded. There's no way he will pay OTT wages to mediocre players.'"
He will have no choice. There is literally no other reason that any decent player would want to play for Salford.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"I follow Warrington actually....
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Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"I agree with what you say to an extent, but the reality is that Koukash is expecting far too much, too soon.
Using Wire as an example, Simon Moran started throwing his cash about in 2002 - It took him almost 10 years to see any reward for his efforts....The quality of signing was a steady improvement over that time - At the start, the quality of player we have now, simply wouldn't consider coming to Wire.
Koukash has to realise this isn't football - He cant just do an Abramovich. He desparately needs somebody to rein him in and advise him properly....Personally, I'd sack Vievers immediately and bring in Brian Noble.'"
Don't think that Koukash hasn't got a long term plan. All the sounds I've heard are that he has a well structured , realistic one in place, From increasing revenues to help the club become self sufficient. (Hence why he's in discussion to purchase the stadium and surrounding area) To installing the best junior development system possible. That's why he's brought in two of the most well respected names in Rugby League from the other side of the world. He's stated quite openly that he's not here to be a sugar daddy.
What he is trying to do is get a few benchmark names in to increase interest in the club, start winning some games which in turn will encourage people to come back and watch Salford. He realises a winning team is paramount in ensuring this works and then build on it year from year.
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