Leigh fans

Quote Kosh="Kosh"Yes. Several places in fact. But it's all been tabulated in simple form here: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=259 The highlight: In 1996 there were 12 sides in SL with a total average attendance of 77,604 or 6,467 per club. In 2011 there were 14 sides in SL with a total average attendance of 124,980 or 8,927 per club. Your argument is not supported by the facts.'" Does anyone know the attendances for all the clubs prior to 1996? I know the Championship and Championship1 gates are dire these days, but it would'nt surprise me if a lot supporters have'nt dumped their lower grade clubs for a SL ones.

Quote Kosh="Kosh"Yes. Several places in fact. But it's all been tabulated in simple form here: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=259 The highlight: In 1996 there were 12 sides in SL with a total average attendance of 77,604 or 6,467 per club. In 2011 there were 14 sides in SL with a total average attendance of 124,980 or 8,927 per club. Your argument is not supported by the facts.'" Does anyone know the attendances for all the clubs prior to 1996? I know the Championship and Championship1 gates are dire these days, but it would'nt surprise me if a lot supporters have'nt dumped their lower grade clubs for a SL ones.

Thats assuming he`s actually a Leigh fan is n`t it.

I think what the OP means is "Super League Has Failed because MY team isn't playing there"

Typical of the 'super league' closed shop attitude

, teams like Halifax, Leigh, Featherstone were around long before franchising and will be around long after franchising the same can't be said for Celtic Crusaders/Crusaders/South Wales Scorpions or Bradford atm

It obviously hasn't 'failed' in the absolute sense of the word ( it still exists ) so 'failure' or otherwise is a relative judgement and comes down to a matter of opinion. Personally I don't think the sport has achieved the growth it could have, missing it's potential by a large enough margin that I wouldn't argue with the word 'failed'. The relative rising fortunes of the Union game have probably coloured my opinion, their upward trajectory seeming to be steeper than ours. I know they've got financial issues at club level but there's enough cash sloshing around that sport that somehow or another it's not going away. I know they start out with a much richer demographic ( or advertisers see it that way anyhow ), but still, the fact that we couldn't even find a paying sponsor is a desperately poor state of affairs. What worries me most of all is the claim that the Stobart 'deal' was worth millions. If the RFL are knowingly talking cr@p, that's one thing, but if they actually BELIEVE we're in good place commercially, then we really are in trouble.

Again just because a poster as a teams name in his username does nt mean he`s a fan of that club.
IMO it`s the easiest way for some posters to troll.

Why don't you think that they have? Do you think they've gone down?
Seems a strange thing to assume based off obviously no evidence.

Views like this are why change doesn't happen.

Short term thinking has corrupted UK sport, and I'm not just talking about RL here. In football, we see inflated wages and investment and a reliance on foreign imports, with the latter being a dominant feature in English RL. It happens at junior level as well, as I said a few days ago, as junior coaches in ALL sports seek the thrill of a short term victory instead of the long term satisfaction of seeing young players enjoy themselves, while growing and developing as players and people.

As others have said, it has been FOUR YEARS since licensing was introduced. Do you seriously believe that the benefits you mentioned will be seen overnight? Enough of this club bias, let's have some long term thinking for the good of the game and give franchising a chance.

Why will South Wales not be around long after franchising?

And I believe Bradford were also in existence before 1996, but since I support a Super League club could a Championship fan tell me?

I remember being at craven park in the 80's &90's when we were in div 2&3 and our crowds were around 1000 with most away games being 5-700. Have crowds in the lower leagues really got any worse?

Compared to the decade pre SL I would say the top league is in a better state so no it hasn't failed IMO.

I keep seeing that super league crowds have grown since 1996. That’s fact the figures show this, however was 1996 a bad year for crowds what was the average crowd over the 10 years up to 1996? What is the average crowd up to present? one other thing I would like to see, to confirm that the crowds have gone up and super league is a success as this seems to be the main marker people use to support super leagues success is the cost of a season ticket with regards to average earnings this would be in % form. Is a season ticket cheaper now? Look what that has done to Bradford. Bigger crowds may not mean the club and league is growing.

As for comparing football teams going bust to rugby teams going bust there is one major difference. The Football association did not stop promotion and relegation claiming it would stop teams going out of business. The rules apply across the board and do not change depending on your geographical location or if your face fits.