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| Just don't let him be photographed in a Quins shirt again!
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| Workington player Weldon Saayman was banned for 12 months and fined £750 in 2006 for betting on games. He was out with a long term injury at the time and didn't play in any of them. On that basis I'd say Leaf's ban is perfectly reasonable under the circumstances.
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| Quote: Derwent "Workington player Weldon Saayman was banned for 12 months and fined £750 in 2006 for betting on games. He was out with a long term injury at the time and didn't play in any of them. On that basis I'd say Leaf's ban is perfectly reasonable under the circumstances.'"
You won't be putting a pound in the bucket on sunday then?
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| Quote: rupert bear "You won't be putting a pound in the bucket on sunday then?'"
Bit difficult, as I won't be there. But if I was then no I wouldn't because I think his ban is justified based on previous precedences. Mark Cass at Oldham got a 12 month ban from the game in 2010 for betting on games and he was not even a registered player anymore, just an assistant coach.
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| Quote: "and Gleeson scored in the game, so there was proof they were still trying to win.
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I see an ill thought out throw away comment to provoke a response-got it
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| Now if he'd been betting on Doncaster to win , it would have been time for the men in white coats !!
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| Quote: clockwork mouse "Now if he'd been betting on Doncaster to win , it would have been time for the men in white coats !!'"
Booooo! Get off!
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| This really is a very simple case. Leaf broke the rules of betting on a match on the club he was employed for, morally wrong and against the rules of the game, he's been caught and convicted and is now serving a punishment, I have little problem with this.
Of course what's amazing about Rugby League is the unreal inconsistensy of how they operate, everything from fines to this offense, to lengths of bans for high takles, dangerous play and illegal substance misuse gets a seemingly different length of ban every time, many on this thread deem the 18 month ban fair, perhaps it is, but then surely you must admit Gleeson and Long got away with proverbial murder...one could argue Leaf (and im not defending him) was simply betting on what he though would happen, where Long and Gleeson knew Saints were playing a week side in that Sanits Bulls game which i'd argue is worse if anything. Also people are quoting different cases over the years...the one constant is all the fines and bans are different lenghts...crazy!...for me its also very funny this made the front page of the Scum 'newspaper' and its one of the lengthy banes every given out by the RFL....if indeed they even had any say in it seen as the Scum knew it would be 18 months before the case concluded
Any accusations that he has 'not tried' or 'thrown matches' before are not true and Leaf has always giv 100% in the best part of a decade I have watched him playing for the Dons.
Silly boy yes...but to receive 'everything he deserves' Is to be ignorant about the case and the wider picture in general
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| Quote: Up the Dons "This really is a very simple case. Leaf broke the rules of betting on a match on the club he was employed for, morally wrong and against the rules of the game, he's been caught and convicted and is now serving a punishment, I have little problem with this.
Of course what's amazing about Rugby League is the unreal inconsistensy of how they operate, everything from fines to this offense, to lengths of bans for high takles, dangerous play and illegal substance misuse gets a seemingly different length of ban every time, many on this thread deem the 18 month ban fair, perhaps it is, but then surely you must admit Gleeson and Long got away with proverbial murder...one could argue Leaf (and im not defending him) was simply betting on what he though would happen, where Long and Gleeson knew Saints were playing a week side in that Sanits Bulls game which i'd argue is worse if anything. Also people are quoting different cases over the years...the one constant is all the fines and bans are different lenghts...crazy!...for me its also very funny this made the front page of the Scum 'newspaper' and its one of the lengthy banes every given out by the RFL....if indeed they even had any say in it seen as the Scum knew it would be 18 months before the case concluded
Any accusations that he has 'not tried' or 'thrown matches' before are not true and Leaf has always giv 100% in the best part of a decade I have watched him playing for the Dons.
Silly boy yes...but to receive 'everything he deserves' Is to be ignorant about the case and the wider picture in general'"
Leaf added: "You can do it different ways — a knock-on or not push yourself to get to that ball.
"There's the tackling side, too. You think on the face of it it's pretty easy but it all depends what the other team are like ... whether they've turned up with the right mentality.
"If you run at someone you can tell whether they're tackling, you can feel it. Look at a team and see if they've got old heads — experienced players or young kids. If they've got young kids they won't do it because they've got aspirations."
... So he bets against his own team and then mentions how to throw games... whats to say he hasn't done this? He should be banned for life.
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| Quote: joetwizzy "Leaf added
those quotes imply he's been influencal in throwing games whilst playing for the Dons....that has never happened nor was he on trial for that....he was on trial for betting on Wakefield beating Doncaster by 38 points.....
I am not saying Leaf didnt say these things, but i personally think he was talking about how PLAUSABLE it is to throw a game...if he indeed said it, I have heard no recording of it myself and have to rely on the Sun...you mention 'whats to say he hasnt done it'...well thats just opinion, not fact and certainly wasnt part of the trial
Hope Long is doing well for you
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| Quote: MattyB "Why was he done for this?
i can only assume it was part of a treble...read my post below on my opinon
just to eleberate slightly and put a different spin on things, he bet on 3 challenge cup games that weekend....were they all single bets? or was in an acca? if it were the latter Leaf may have just thrown it in....and I can only assume it was as the other 2 games were brought into the conclusions of the case. For me that is just naive (bet the whole bet actually came in)...and although wrong and against the rules, nowhere near as cynical as Gleeson and Long who had inside information about Saints playing a weak side and cheating the bookies...Leaf a) didnt cheat in a game...b) didn't cheat the bookies...c) yes broke the law...but his punishment doenst fit
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| Hope long is doing well for us? This isn't Hull FC v Doncaster. This is right v wrong. I would be saying the same thing if he played for Hull. I think Gleeson should have been banned from the sport.
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| Good old David Bates
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| Quote: Up the Dons "... as Gleeson and Long who had inside information about Saints playing a weak side and cheating the bookies......'"
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Quote: Goochie "Weren't Long and Gleesons bans shorter because Long wasn't playing and Gleeson scored in the game, so there was proof they were still trying to win.
18 months seems about fair to me tbh.'"
Quote: Goochie "On June 17, we had our hearing. We thought we'd either get a hefty fine or, more likely, a ban.
Judge Peter Charlesworth ? who tries murderers when he's not on the RFL panel ? fined us both £7,500 plus £2,205 costs. He banned me from playing for three months and Glees for an extra month because he'd played in the game.
We had to pay the fines, court costs, our solicitors' fees and do without our wages for the length of the bans. The bet cost me close to 50 grand. '"
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -lose.html
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Quote: Goochie "Weren't Long and Gleesons bans shorter because Long wasn't playing and Gleeson scored in the game, so there was proof they were still trying to win.
18 months seems about fair to me tbh.'"
Quote: Goochie "On June 17, we had our hearing. We thought we'd either get a hefty fine or, more likely, a ban.
Judge Peter Charlesworth ? who tries murderers when he's not on the RFL panel ? fined us both £7,500 plus £2,205 costs. He banned me from playing for three months and Glees for an extra month because he'd played in the game.
We had to pay the fines, court costs, our solicitors' fees and do without our wages for the length of the bans. The bet cost me close to 50 grand. '"
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -lose.html
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