to me roby played well but was on far too long in first half, lunt didnt come on until well into 2nd half, poor coaching in my eyes that, as was picking tomkins at full back he needs to be in the halves, oloughlin was terrible at stand off for me he contibuted massively to the missed tackles in the centres due to him not moving across in the defensive line, for the first try it was 5 against 2 but people blame the centre for the missed tackle , another coaching error in my eyes picking a defensive stand off instead of a attacking one.overall for me our best today were roby westwood graham and robinson, the worst burgess who makes more errors than anybody in the team, but plays in nrl so must be great, oloughlin so far out of position he looked lost and atkins another who makes countless errors throughout every game he plays.

The backs just arnet good enough. To be fair to Lockers, he shouldnt have been playing 6, and Cudjoe was as much to blame of that first try as Lockers. Goulding, Atkins, Briscoe, Cudjoe are no where near good enough for this level. Overall most have been very disappointing.

I watched the Aussie coverage and the only players worth anything were Burgess, Ellis, Graham, Roby and Westwood. Burgess and Ellis because they play in the NRL and Graham because some of the clubs are chasing him and Roby, because they knew who he was.

They slated the outside backs.

Agree re Westwood, not seen much of him and he looked the business in both games. Needs to cut out the laying on but that aside he looks a good player.

Tomkins is still young and learning his trade. I think he was a bit lost today and thought he had a much better game at 6 last week. My only concern with him is he does look a bit of a one trick pony and hasn;t shown any great passing or kicking ability.

No Fielden or O'Loughlin for me, and I reckon for you too if you weren't a wigan fan.

If O'loughlin was played in his position then yes, but not at 6.

O'Loughlin looked very good last week and totally ineffective this. Stop playing forwards at 6 England, have we learnt nothing from Farrell,Sinfield et al?

Couldnt agree more, he's getting alot criticism for his performance but he put in the effort in a position he shouldnt be playing.

Westwood's been this good for years.

Robinson & Westwood are the only 2 to consistently shine so far for me. Roby flatters to deceive. Graham has been solid not spectacular. Atkins, Cudjoe, Brown, Harrison shouldn't be near international rugby league but i've been most disappointed with Ellis and Burgess.

I'd agree with all that.

Good grief. People in Wigan shouldn't be allowed near keyboards, they just embarrass themselves. Go on then, let's have chapter and verse on why Roby and Graham, two of England's best performers in every match, are underwhelming ? You're not allowed to say "because they play for Saints". Go on...?