That's not true. I'm 'down south' and can assure you am very interested in RL. Granted i spent my first 25 years in wigan but living down here, my wife is now interested in RL and i have converted several members of her family. Will be taking 12 people up to the quins v wigan game.

Do you have any evidence at all for that claim?

BTW, Companies House website has this piece of evidence of business failureName & Registered OfficeStatus
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Maybe he means that clubs like Widnes who have kept the game alive for well over 100 years and when people come up with ideas such as Superleague - unfortunately at a time when Widnes were in a lull after unprecedented success -they were simply cast aside in the name of expansion. And teams who he mentioned have either come and gone, been propped up by the authorities or broke the rules to stay in Superleague.

The financial failure in 2008 can be blamed partially at least on Widnes throwing all their eggs in one basket to get to the riches of the promised land.

Clubs like Widnes, Leigh, Fev, Keighley and any other flatcap clubs will be here long after the expansion experiment is completed.

Start your gnashing of teeth now: The RFL has said that one NL1 club would get promoted based on the criteria you mentioned. They have not ruled out promoting another club to SL with any conditions set other than playing in the championship.

So TO could be in SL in 2012, as long as we see expansion of the number of clubs in SL or two up two down. TO and Catalans in SL would be low/mid table sides but could put in a good game.

OK, i'll rephrase (i was being flipant btw) there are so few rl fans down south, and the RL marketting is so poor, and the media is so biased, that RL clubs will not be able to survive down south. Do you agree?


I couldnt give a toss whether you are interested in talking to me or not, because after your ridiculous insinuation, i feel i have to defend myself, else people may get the wrong impressioon of me.
Rather than speculating wildely why dont we look at the facts.
1) In a thread, which didnt contain one single mention of the Cumbria shootings, an anti widnes troll started spouting his anti widnes rubbish that has being debunked several times. I couldnt be bothered to reply again to the fool, and explain why he is wrong, so i put the 'shoot poster' smilie (which i have now changed to the 'roll eyes' smilie, just incase the original post would cause any unintended upset).
2) The 'shoot poster' smilie is often used by posters to mean something along the lines of 'pi$$ off you troll', its supposed to be lighthearted and doesnt represent actual bad feeling towards the poster.
3) I put the 'shoot poster' smilie, to represent exactly what everyone else uses it to represent (as explained above), it didnt even cross my mind that there had recently been a tragic shoting. It was just a smilie, it wasnt used, with knowledge that it may cause any offence, and it wasnt definately wasnt supposed to be some kind of sick joke, if thats what you are implying. You then decided for some unknown reason to announce to everyone that i am some kind of sick d1ckhead who is either making a joke out of the tragedy, or was using it, with the knowledge that it may cause offence. This is not the case.
I would appreciate it if you didnt reply to any of my posts again, i dont appreciate it when people make false accusations about me (especially when they announce these in a public place such as a forum) so i really dont want to converse with you in the future
Im sorry to derail this thread, but i felt i had no choice but to defend myself after his insinuation. (If broncoonion, after reading my explanation, edits out the attack on me, then i will be able to edit out my defence)

Drifting slightly off topic here, but bow come you do not post on the Widnes site?

The difference between the two clubs is that Widnes used to be successful, they went bust trying to spend buy an SL spot, they didnt go bust becasue they have, and never have had, a support base large enough to support a professional team. I dont think there is anyone, who cannot see a future for a Widnes, in SL with good crowds, not reliant on a money man, underwriting the loses. Lets face it, that is never going to happen to the Fulham-harle-bronco-quins.

I've only been to a handful of games over the last few years (not living near enough to widnes atm), so only see them play when they are on sky on a thursday. Because of this, until i move back home, i dont feel i can contribute to most discussions, so i tend to read the forum but only post on it occasionaly.

I'm suspicious of posters like that. We had a problem with fake posters on another board, the existing widnes fans weren't playing up to certain peoples expectations so they invented one or two.