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| Quote tim791="tim791"I think hes implying attendences.
They simply aren't good enough to be thinking about new teams even close to them, how will they survive if new teams come up and then some existing fans go to them instead, we will have more bankrupt clubs.'"
He did say ' Criteria ' , which is what ? , if it is attendances then How ?
As for Championship clubs losing support from potential new clubs 40 miles away , not a problem many would be too bothered about , most clubs have enough potential fans within a few miles to keep them alive , getting them to the games should be the focus
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"yeah getting existing SL clubs to expand their current areas a bit is a great idea
shame it took 130 yrs to think of it'"
Great input again corkhatter. Concentrate on the problems your own competition has, rather than worry about ours.
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| Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"Great input again corkhatter. Concertrate on the problems your own competition has, rather than worry about ours.'"
Oi , dont you come on here upsetting my mate 
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| Quote tim791="tim791"So you think we should get rid of all existing expansion clubs and just start up a new set closer to the heartlands??
It's hardly expansion really is it?'"
Err... where did he say ANYTHING like that?
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Quote HKRCraig="HKRCraig"Hull KR have set up a rugby league academy in Northern Lincolnshire (outside of their traditional ''territory'' with the hope of attracting new players and supporters of RL.
“The rugby league academy is giving youngsters in Northern Lincolnshire an opportunity they haven’t really had before to play the game and is helping the sport grow beyond the traditional heartlands.”
www.grimsby.ac.uk/index.php?news=890
Should this be the focus of RL to grow the game around the heartlands first rather then fast tracking remote areas of the country?'"
It's an excellent idea, and I applaud Hull KR for it. It's something similar to what I've suggested in the past that all clubs do. Expanding the player bases around the clubs will make them clubs stronger as well as expand the game. If these areas get strong enough, they may be able to start Championship teams, and then they may try to expand their player base, and so on.
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Quote HKRCraig="HKRCraig"Hull KR have set up a rugby league academy in Northern Lincolnshire (outside of their traditional ''territory'' with the hope of attracting new players and supporters of RL.
“The rugby league academy is giving youngsters in Northern Lincolnshire an opportunity they haven’t really had before to play the game and is helping the sport grow beyond the traditional heartlands.”
www.grimsby.ac.uk/index.php?news=890
Should this be the focus of RL to grow the game around the heartlands first rather then fast tracking remote areas of the country?'"
It's an excellent idea, and I applaud Hull KR for it. It's something similar to what I've suggested in the past that all clubs do. Expanding the player bases around the clubs will make them clubs stronger as well as expand the game. If these areas get strong enough, they may be able to start Championship teams, and then they may try to expand their player base, and so on.
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| Quote spooneryork="spooneryork":( Apart from the spectaclular success of Le Cats and probable future success of Toulouse other expansion has hardly been a great success story, Quins Gateshead and London Skolars and the Crusaders are battling gamely but struggling a little. I'm sure they can be successful but why not throw resources at areas nearer to the heartlands eg Merseyside, Mancherster, Lincolnshire, Scottish borders and Nottinghamshire?'"
Have you noticed the difference between Catalans and the rest, though?
Catalans were an established club in a fairly strong rugby league area. They were given 4 years notice to build a club.
Gateshead and Paris were dropped in and expected to start from scratch.
Quins and Crusaders weren't established enough and moved up too early.
And Skolars and Gateshead are doing really well to still be going. Gateshead were the whipping boys for years, and then finally came good (maybe just a bit too soon for the 2nd tier though). Same with Blackpool, they're becoming competitive now.
The one time it has worked, they had four years to prepare and were already established. Is that the key?
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"Err... where did he say ANYTHING like that?'"
Quote Wellsy13="HKRCraig"
Should this be the focus of RL to grow the game around the heartlands first rather then fast tracking remote areas of the country?'"
IMO of course, i believe this is where he said something slightly hinting towards it.
imo.
of course.
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| Quote tim791="tim791"IMO of course, i believe this is where he said something slightly hinting towards it.
imo.
of course.'"
Not one word in there suggested kicking anybody out. What it says was a possible new approach to expansion.
If he meant kicking the clubs out and starting again was a part of that, I have a feeling that would have been said. You put words in his mouth.
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| There's a big difference between spreading jnr development and attracting fans from non RL areas by existing SL clubs (like in HKR's case) and starting up a 3million quid a year SL team in a non RL city/town.
Only way expansion will ever work is to get the grass roots right and ensure there is enough financial backing to plough money in over the long haul. Without that RL is simply not big enough a sport to attract the backing needed in non RL areas from the start.
Having Sl clubs link into non RL areas (or in Cumbrias case non Sl areas) is a great idea. Warrington linking into Cumbria, HKR into Lincolnshire, St's into Liverpool, HFC into Nth yorkshire etc etc would be far more cost effective way of spreading the game.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I know I am going to regret this but , the UK is different to Australia in that you only have maybe a dozen centres of population separated by long distances , whereas we have many more towns much closer together , therefore the options to expand the sport are different
The satelite way of ' pin sticking is basically the only way in Oz , over here there is the option of spreading maybe 40/50 miles at a time'"
all i see is heartland clubs that couldnt have been bothered to expand their areas over the past 130 years.
a century of disgrace
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| Quote Odemwingie="Odemwingie"Before expansion can really take off we need to be really strong in the heartlands where it should be strong.
Surely another team in NZ would be great and a team in PNG is essential for the future of RL. Tonga and Samoa spring to mind also. Get a team in spain and create more interest. Widnes, Leigh, Halifax... are all teams in the heartlands who have not reached their potential as clubs. Just look what happened when other clubs have come up and stayed up, Hull KR for one example... now I can't imagine super league without them.
Cumbria needs sorting out really, we just need someone rich to come in and make it happen although super league will not suffer without a cumbrian team. many fans I have spoken to from cumbria say they are happy where they are as well.'"
so after 113 years RL still isnt strong enough in the heartlands?
waiting for godot there.
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| Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"There's a big difference between spreading jnr development and attracting fans from non RL areas by existing SL clubs (like in HKR's case) and starting up a 3million quid a year SL team in a non RL city/town.
Only way expansion will ever work is to get the grass roots right and ensure there is enough financial backing to plough money in over the long haul. Without that RL is simply not big enough a sport to attract the backing needed in non RL areas from the start.
Having Sl clubs link into non RL areas (or in Cumbrias case non Sl areas) is a great idea. Warrington linking into Cumbria, HKR into Lincolnshire, St's into Liverpool, HFC into Nth yorkshire etc etc would be far more cost effective way of spreading the game.'"
top down expansion works all the time if its properly funded.
top down expansion is the way to go for me, with some minor development before hand
expecting a club to be formed at NL2 level then get promoted to NL1 then wait 5 - 10 years before SL is way too slow.
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