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| Quote: Hopie "This Saints team ain't nothing compared to the one ten years ago, but the rest of the teams in this country have fallen further, their opponents tonight being a prime example.'"
Someone’s upset that his team got absolutely mullered by St Helens in the semi lol
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| Quote: ploinerrhino "Not too sure Widnes had that many home grown players'"
They didn’t. This just proves that Donnytroll knows nothing about RL.
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| Quote: ploinerrhino "Not too sure Widnes had that many home grown players'"
The O'neils, Andy Currier, the eyre's, the hulmes and the mylers inc. Richie who still plays today.
All came through after Widned got a run of success in the 1970's.......
There we go
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| Quote: Donnyman "The O'neils, Andy Currier, the eyre's, the hulmes and the mylers inc. Richie who still plays today.
All came through after Widned got a run of success in the 1970's.......
There we go
Yes but you are going back 50 years when most clubs had home grown talent, my earlier post mentioned the Superleague Era. I'm pretty sure Widnes didn't have a lot of home grown talent in that period the UK players were mainly from Wigan and Saints in that Widnes side.
As I said earlier its only Leeds, Wigan and Saints who are doing the business of getting players from their academies to progress into the first team, all other clubs are not doing enough to increase the depth of the UK player pool.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Yes but you are going back 50 years when most clubs had home grown talent, my earlier post mentioned the Superleague Era. I'm pretty sure Widnes didn't have a lot of home grown talent in that period the UK players were mainly from Wigan and Saints in that Widnes side.
As I said earlier its only Leeds, Wigan and Saints who are doing the business of getting players from their academies to progress into the first team, all other clubs are not doing enough to increase the depth of the UK player pool.'"
Most clubs didn't have that much home grown talent back then, in1975 Warrington used 40 players and only 8 were from Warrington. Ten came from St.Helens. Salford had one Salford born player - Sammy Turnbull, Lancashire clubs had a good number of Wigan lads in their teams. At that time Swinton had 10 saints/wigan players and only 4 swinton lads.
In Lancashire the Saints/Wigan clubs successes fostered great interest in the playing of the game in those towns and their amateur set ups have fed that success for decades, that in turn attracts more talented youngsters into the game from those towns for them to continue winning the cups.
Obviously an ambitious Warrington have tried hard for years to replicate those production lines but haven't got anywhere near the historic and effective Saints/Wigan set ups.
Frank Mylers 1970's Widnes had 25 Widnes born players delivering success and that went on for some time, into another generation of great local born Widnes players, who kept that success going and the cups coming in in the 1980's when Jonathan Davies played for them. There's little RL talent there now.........
All SL clubs have player development "foundations" paid for by SKY so they all but Salford run academies, the problem is all the best young talent want to go to the Wigan's, Saints and Leeds of this world. How do you "do enough" if your best local kids Like Watkins as a young salford academy lad, are intent at signing at the top clubs???
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| Quote: Donnyman "Most clubs didn't have that much home grown talent back then, in1975 Warrington used 40 players and only 8 were from Warrington. Ten came from St.Helens. Salford had one Salford born player - Sammy Turnbull, Lancashire clubs had a good number of Wigan lads in their teams. At that time Swinton had 10 saints/wigan players and only 4 swinton lads.
In Lancashire the Saints/Wigan clubs successes fostered great interest in the playing of the game in those towns and their amateur set ups have fed that success for decades, that in turn attracts more talented youngsters into the game from those towns for them to continue winning the cups.
Obviously an ambitious Warrington have tried hard for years to replicate those production lines but haven't got anywhere near the historic and effective Saints/Wigan set ups.
Frank Mylers 1970's Widnes had 25 Widnes born players delivering success and that went on for some time, into another generation of great local born Widnes players, who kept that success going and the cups coming in in the 1980's when Jonathan Davies played for them. There's little RL talent there now.........
All SL clubs have player development "foundations" paid for by SKY so they all but Salford run academies, the problem is all the best young talent want to go to the Wigan's, Saints and Leeds of this world. How do you "do enough" if your best local kids Like Watkins as a young salford academy lad, are intent at signing at the top clubs???'"
Don't know why you are going back nearly 50 years when I made reference to the Superleague era.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Don't know why you are going back nearly 50 years when I made reference to the Superleague era.'"
Because these clubs like Leeds. Wigan and Saints came into the Superleague era with already strong local player development set ups as they won lots of trophies and still do, and an historic ability as big successful clubs to attract young players away from the places they were actually produced.
As I say Leeds didn't produce Callum Watkins, Salford did, the way things work out now is quality youngsters often don't sign to the local clubs. Rob Burrow wasn't a Leeds lad but they also signed him to their academy. These examples are not really "Player development" more like rich clubs poaching talent produced elsewhere....
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Quote: FlexWheeler "This sintellins team….
Everyone else is so crap they’re not even tested and can cruise around in 2nd gear. Catalans will bend over, like all the pretender teams do in the grand final.'"
so wish for a similar game
https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lans/55263
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Quote: FlexWheeler "This sintellins team….
Everyone else is so crap they’re not even tested and can cruise around in 2nd gear. Catalans will bend over, like all the pretender teams do in the grand final.'"
so wish for a similar game
https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... lans/55263
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| as it stands Catalan are the best team in the league,they won the hubcap !!!
That makes 1 trophy to Stains and 1 to Catalan which was the leaders shield thus making them the Leaders.
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| Quote: Jason65 "as it stands Catalan are the best team in the league,they won the hubcap !!!
That makes 1 trophy to Stains and 1 to Catalan which was the leaders shield thus making them the Leaders.'"
This is the thing Jason. In soccer the top club would be just that.
In Rugby league you can be crowned the top club from fourth place albeit didn't that used to be from as much as 16th. place?
Wrencat will remember Dewsbury beating Leeds from 8th. to be champions in the early seventies...........
League Leaders is/should be the real prize
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| Quote: Judder Man "You couldn't be more wrong with Saints, we played 12 acadamy produced players the other week against Salford. Wigan. Leeds and Saints are way ahead of the rest of Superleague, these teams think long term whilst other teams just survive on a quick fix of average overseas players.
Saints have pivotal players in Coote, Welsby, Lomax, Dodd, Roby and Knowles there is only one overseas player there the rest came through the acadamy.'"
Easy to produce $hitloads of academy prospects when you're from a RL hotbed, have a sugar daddy owner and have won loads of trophies isn't it?
Hope that smoke doesn't burn your ass.
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| Quote: Jason65 "as it stands Catalan are the best team in the league,they won the hubcap !!!
That makes 1 trophy to Stains and 1 to Catalan which was the leaders shield thus making them the Leaders.'"
They won the what?
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| Quote: Donnyman "Oh brilliant, your back? How long has it been? Have you met our new friends Orangeman and Warringtonwolve69??
Yes the ones with more faces than a town hall clock, I noticed one post he did complementing catalans yet under his last name called the French white flag waving monkeys and then the thread got locked as he tried to wind up posters, Wouldn't surprise me if flax wheeler is another one of his guises, what makes me laugh how he beats on on about salary cap but until it came in stains had won Jack poo, that guy needs to get a life
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| Quote: Donnyman "This is the thing Jason. In soccer the top club would be just that.
In Rugby league you can be crowned the top club from fourth place albeit didn't that used to be from as much as 16th. place?
Wrencat will remember Dewsbury beating Leeds from 8th. to be champions in the early seventies...........
League Leaders is/should be the real prize'"
In the whole new Super Dooper era, the season regular is just a qualifying event for the play offs and means nothing.
Trinity proved this, albeit at the wrong end of the table during the "every minute matters" era, a time when only the last 5 minutes of the MPG were actually important.
FWIW, dont remember the Dewsbury beating Leeds from 8th, not sure that I was old enough.
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