Re the TV deal, it wouldn't seem essential they sign one right away. Who knows, maybe they'll capture the imagination and be offered one next year. Not nailed on, granted. Then again, there was also a lot of expectation that Elstone would be lining up a good deal for the other 11 clubs. We may yet find our own clubs need a financial defibrillating if the rumours are to be believed.

It would be crazy to try spread the game 3500 miles away. But fact is, the European game has barely lifted a finger and has had TWP dropped into its lap. The economics are such that it'll either sink or swim; no halfway house here where we're left with a ghost club that limps along once the serious money has run out.

Any evidence of BeIn's intersest?

Pretty sure he is talking about Catalan Dragons. Elstone demanded more money and they walked away.

Bein won't step into the UK market unless they can win premiership football rights. They were tempted a few years ago but decided not to bid.

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The serious money runs into thousands of $$Millions that increases as more potash is extracted from Brazilian mines. The $5 million plus a year that backs Toronto Wolfpack goes on as long as the owner goes on. You could say the same for Huddersfield or any club who is dependent on a sub from the owner.

The rumours don't trump the reality that a SKY deal is lined up, the reality is how much will it be? Last time the massive increase was given to us to cut BT's legs from under them and secure Rugby League for SKY for several years more. SKY want the game,...all they are saying is don't expect as much next time.

Out of the £200M last time only about 65% was for Superleague. A lot of money was wasted on the Championship to set up the MPG and spread monies to all clubs. Superleague are clear they will take all the money this time, so Superleague clubs will in the end preside over a reduced contract, but the SL clubs will not get a reduced amount. The championship will take a massive hit though.....

The 2 + 2 = 5 rumours don't understand the detail. They think if we get £150M this time it will be a disaster. If all that money goes just to Superleague then SL clubs will be on more TV money this time (and one again Championship clubs will get nowt this time). Also note the heavy hints and moves to create a 10 club SL 2022....a 1/10th. share of the TV money will be bigger than a 1/12th share as well

The future of Rugby League is not France, it is not North America, it is an English TV deal for English clubs. Why do people think Perez is behind a desk in Bradford (and not Ottawa) answering to Nigel Wood?

I agree that Sky aren't bothered about the sport or about any clubs in particular and their interest is having something to fill their schedules and generating revenue for their business.
I'm interested in your comment that Toronto "rate well" and whether this is English viewers or overseas viewers.
As for a stand alone deal in Canada (or France), I just dont get the "math", unless RL has truly been embraced by the N. American (or French) public.
Although it wont bother the advertisers, the numbers of "dodgy" sky viewers, who are paying a fraction of the full subscription could have a massive effect on our sports value to them.
I know of only one person who pays full price on Sky, with all the rest viewing "from overseas" and whilst I fully understand why people do this, it's taking $millions from Sky's pockets.

Equally though, Sky has become way too expensive, i wish Netflix would pick up RL, but they aren't really operating in that space.

Not sure how you work that one out, if your a sports fan and you take into account the different sports' on offer, maybe if you drop some of the other things like childrens tv and filums it's maybe not as expensive.

What if you dont give a monkies about overpaid football, F1 etc. Sky is a total rip off for the average RL supporter.

So the average RL fan won't watch the 3 games on offer most weeks plus the CC games and the GF, not forgetting the golf, cricket, premier league darts and the rest of the overpaid sports.

The average RL supporter I know doesn't bother much with Cricket, Darts, Golf etc. The CC games are on the BBC and a lot of rl fans couldn't give a hoot about the GF.

I wonder. If it was possible to go back to 1980s style, part time RL with its biff, fast wingers and off the cuff plays, would the paying public welcome it?

Please would you consider that the way this works is SKY show various sports on their English SKY TV channels and this attracts English PAYING subscribers to those channels, thus creating an additional income stream to add to the English companies PAYING to advertise English products? I pay my subs and I consider buying and do buy (some of) the products and services advertised. So the whole business plan and economics of it is SKY getting in advertising revenue from England and subscriptions from England.

So I pay £30 a month or whatever, and fancy a go at some of the beers that are on the adverts. I also like to watch English clubs. Maybe that's just me but a recent survey in Hull showed 80% of fans having no interest in phoney North American clubs. What they want from SKY is Hull.v.HKR and not Hull.v.Toronto and no HKR????? So you are totally wrong with respect and as far as I can work out. SKY care about English fans paying them subs and English advertisers getting English RL fans buying their English goods and services. You have to think about the income SKY would get from say 10 English clubs in Superleague against say 5 English SL clubs plus TWP, Ottawa, New York, Catalans and Toulouse in Superleague?.

I agree about "ratings" but if you chuck Cas, Wakey, Salford, Fartown and HKR out, and send their players abroad to dress up as French and North american players that's a hell of a lot of SKY subs lost and TV dishes ripped of the wall and weighed in at the scrapyard by angry fans vowing they are finished with Rugby league. You have fallen for the constant mantra that TWP are not only glamorous but attractive the world over. They have hoodwinked you my good man. Why not go to the next Hull Derby and discuss one of the Hull clubs standing down for TWP with the fans??.

Take a bodyguard with you.