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Quote: goochie124 "But I thought that the rules were that players now had to be Federation trained to not count on the Quota, and as BramleyRhino said, he wasn't trained in this country.'"


There is Section B of the Operating Rules, 'Competitions' (under 'General Competition Rules')

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In the following seasons the numbers in B1

And also, again quoted from the Operating Rules, Section C ('Personnel', Issue 8, dated January 2010)...
found at rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/clientdocs/Part%203_Section%20C.pdfrl

Quote: goochie124 "
QUOTA OF OVERSEAS PLAYERS
C1

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Quote: goochie124 "But I thought that the rules were that players now had to be Federation trained to not count on the Quota, and as BramleyRhino said, he wasn't trained in this country.'"


As the OP asked if he would count as a 'quota' player then, presumably they meant the latter in my post, above (i.e. QUOTA OF OVERSEAS PLAYERS).

Just to complete the quoting of the rules, the following definitions apply
B1

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I don't know about anyone else but I couldn't be bothered reading any of that.
Basically as I suggested he'll be the same as Martin Gleeson (mark gleeson moved back at 16 and so satisfied the homegrown ruling) in that he isn't overseas at all but he won't be homegrown anywhere.
Failing that the RFL will roll out a dispensation as long as said player declares themself for England

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Quote: Dico "I don't know about anyone else but I couldn't be bothered reading any of that.
Basically as I suggested he'll be the same as Martin Gleeson (mark gleeson moved back at 16 and so satisfied the homegrown ruling) in that he isn't overseas at all but he won't be homegrown anywhere.
Failing that the RFL will roll out a dispensation as long as said player declares themself for England'"


I hope that would be the case if he does come over here. He would only be federation trained if he has spent 3 years under the age of 21 in an English clubs academy.

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Look what we have come to clinging on to an average 21 year old who is unproven. Sad.

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While he certainly has not yet developed into the real thing at least a young player taking the full back spot SHOULD give all the English full backs in super league a good kick start and have them up their games to try and oust him.

Competition for places, should be no complacency.

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Quote: jonny the leyther "Fair point, I just like pointing out when he's talking 'the proverbial'.'"


Be a lot less work if you pointed out when he wasn't.

Kind of amusing that the two best-known products of the Victorian RL are Jeremy Smith (a kiwi) and Gareth Widdop (English).

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Widdop is English with a stamp in his British Passport allowing him to live in Australia.

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Quote: Rughead "Surely if he was born in England, then he is English and shouldn't count on the quota.'"



Difficult really want is Mark O Meley and his wife have a son while playing for Hull, they then leave 6 months later, the son live in Austrailia for the next 25 years playing NRL, he them moves to England and signs for SL club, would he count on Quota?

Hard to decide if they count or not on the quota if they here born in the UK or have a Britsig passport as you could have never lived in the Uk and still get a passport through your parents.

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Quote: ads7fax "If he wants to change he will, the rfl won't stop him if the australians want him they'll take him. Why would they want him though, he's average for his age Hayne is the future'"


um billy slater, jarred hayne, nah i think we dont need him thanks

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if they make themselves available to play for England they don't count on the quota. lets take a leaf out of Australias book!

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Quote: JB Down Under " lets take a leaf out of Australias book!'"



and develop some players

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Quote: dally messenger "um billy slater, jarred hayne, nah i think we dont need him thanks'"

Slater will be 27 in a couple of weeks. Hayne is only a year older than Widdop, which was ads7fax's obvious point. And to continue the point, if we don't have Hayne, there's always Dugan and Coote, who are both younger than Widdop.

Coote's try-scoring record and kick-return metres speak for themself. Dugan has already broken into the rep scene and was Man of the Match on debut. And despite going off injured before the 55 minute mark today, he racked up a try, a try-assist, two linebreaks, 14 tackle breaks and ran over 170m.

Hayne deserves to be first choice NSW fullback, but he's got two awesome talents hot on his tail.

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darius boyd
mat bowen
todd carney


im too tired to remember the fullbacks of the other nrl teams

widdop is an under 20s player who has had limited NRL experience

england have rushed him into their test line up

the conclusion is pretty obvious

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I think it's safe to say Bowen's rep career is all but finished. Still a very capable player, but Queensland and Australia have moved on.

Carney, despite putting in excellent games at fullback, should find himself in the halves if he ever cracks Origin or above.

Boyd is a straight up gun and deserves to be second choice fullback for QLD.

I think Widdop is good enough to be the England fullback, but his real test won't come until the Four Nations.

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