The championship play-off final is to see who is the best team in the championship. The C1 final is to see who is the best team in C1. The third group of 8 play-off would be to decide who is 5th best team in SL2 or 17th best team in the joint competition. It is fundementally different from the current finals.

and i didnt say a drop to C1 was hugely damaging (though it is pretty damaging) i said the drop between the 2nd tier of 12 and the league below would be hugely damaging. Because it would.

The 8/8/8 has had disaster written all over it since its initial suggestion.
The fact that funding will be unfairly distributed down the league will not increase competitiveness, if anything it would reduce competitiveness.

If funding was split evenly, super league clubs would be looking at a massive reduction in their sky money so hence clubs would more than likely encounter financial difficulties

This whole problem has come from the RFL fixing something which wasn't broken by introducing licensing and going to 14 clubs.
A top 12 with a top 5 play offs was the way to go and stay, with more funding for the super league clubs.
Promotion and relegation should have stayed. British sport loves nothing more than a fairy tail, look at Hull KR's rise from the Championship, this would increase attendances in the championship as well as providing these clubs with something to play for.
The Super League need their own CEO who is responsible for commercial decisions etc... and sponsorship. Whoever is in charge of commercial activities at the RFL should have been issued their P45 a long time ago. To have no main sponsor is something which is unforgivable.
Same could be said for the Championships, they also need their own CEO who is also responsible for commercial decisions.

I'd go to 12 super league clubs from 2015 from league positions at the end of next year, simple promotion and relegation with the championship which would be made up of 10 clubs.

However I would keep licensing in a way with clubs having to apply for licences to join the Championship.

You don't know it would. Like most of your posts, you make assumptions that a majority with more balanced views might think highly unlikely to be the case in practice.

In soccer, Peterborough and Wolves were relegated from the Championship last season but are now joint second in the league below. They don't appear to be "hugely damaged".

Nope I had forgotten that in that season we had played a local derby 4 times.
It was the last one I had missed as I didn't go looking for another one.

BTW I'm argueing that 10 isn't close to 15 neither is 12 really.
'Close to 15 are YOUR words not mine'

What is fsking embarrasing is the fact that you pretend not to have a HKR agenda when it's very clear you do.

Rebel clubs want 1 team relegated next season :- http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... -1-6134778

Rebel clubs want 1 team relegated next season :- http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/h ... -1-6134778

Assuming what you say is true - and I have no reason to doubt that - 7 British players still implies 10 foreigners in your starting 17 is still not good enough - I'd say that about my team saints or anybody else.

There should certainly be ways to be able to sign the top quality internationals (and with the Nrl strength at the moment, is the reason why I'm for a 1 player exempt on the salary cap (within limits)) but I think a quota of 5 has worked well for most clubs and shouldn't be changed (again)

I think one thing that all of this is doing is showing how many different areas of the game people feel should be looked at altered or mismanaged - that alone should be cause for concern by the rfl

Defending 12 overseas players because it isn’t close enough to 15 (you may have played more, I don’t know. You had 14 in the squad, they may have been in one matchday squad. As I say, I cant be bothered checking all the line-ups) is what is embarrassing. 12 is an absolutely embarrassing total. It is ridiculously high.

Quote: "You don't know it would. Like most of your posts, you make assumptions that a majority with more balanced views might think highly unlikely to be the case in practice. In soccer, Peterborough and Wolves were relegated from the Championship last season but are now joint second in the league below. They don't appear to be "hugely damaged".'" http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wol ... ve-morgan/ Seems it was pretty bloody damaging. And yes, i assume that dropping for a league which purports to be competitive with SL in to a semi-pro league, split in to regions for cost, with very little central funding and probably no teams who are averaging more than 1k would be pretty damaging.

Quote: "You don't know it would. Like most of your posts, you make assumptions that a majority with more balanced views might think highly unlikely to be the case in practice. In soccer, Peterborough and Wolves were relegated from the Championship last season but are now joint second in the league below. They don't appear to be "hugely damaged".'" http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wol ... ve-morgan/ Seems it was pretty bloody damaging. And yes, i assume that dropping for a league which purports to be competitive with SL in to a semi-pro league, split in to regions for cost, with very little central funding and probably no teams who are averaging more than 1k would be pretty damaging.

Heres a scenario (it won't happen because it involves england winning).

This whole 'who ha' has been put on hold until after the world cup.

What if england, won the world cup?

Suddenly the game would have a surge in interest and playing numbers (for an initial burst period, at least), even the RFL would be able to finally get a main sponsor for the competition and hopefully plenty of extra revenue would be generated for all the clubs.

So then, about the structure, wouldn't people suddenly say - well hang on, yes theres some commercial issues that need addressing in terms of revenue and financial management, but this structure for the last 6 years has helped produce a world cup winning team, which is going to go a long way to helping the sport grow, why change?

Just random thoughts.

In a debut SL season?
I think you need to start living in the real world personally.

One could argue HKR alongside Hudds and Catalans have been the most recent good news stories in SL.

We after were in admin in 1997-Roll on 10 years and we returned to the big league. We have since in the past 7 seasons made the playoffs more than we haven't had around 8k averages, Got new floodlights, Pitch and a brand new £8M north stand. We also are now turning out SL quality players on our own.

Hudds after years of finishing bottom have just won the LLS on the back of great RL to watch.

Catalans have revitalised French RL in a way that some thought would never happen after the Paris fiasco.

Neil Hudgell last night on Radio Humberside when asked about this problem and he stated that he didn't want to talk about it as IL was the designated spokesman for the rebels (My word not the word of NH) so I think he speaks for more than you think he does.

So we have now come in a full circle and you are making my argument for me. P+R was a large reason behind, and a big driver to clubs looking short-term. It is a reason why HKR neglected their youth development for years whilst spending heavily on overseas players, it is a reason why Wakefield did the same thing. It’s the reason why clubs like Wakefield and HKR were spending big big money on overseas players whilst playing out of stadiums not fit for purpose. It is a reason why the game got itself in to a position where clubs with clear and obvious structural problems, clubs with a clear need for investment in youth development, coaching, marketing and facilities were neglecting these areas and spending hundreds of thousands if not £1m+ some pretty average overseas players .

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