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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "So you are saying they cannot be improved?
It is competition from below that creates improvement'" They can't be improved to be anywhere near the standard of any of the current SL clubs barring London, no.
Quote: Starbug "Don't worry. Whatever will happen will change again in the next five years.'" I give it three years before licensing is reintroduced, and hopefully that isn't three years too late.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: headhunter "They can't be improved to be anywhere near the standard of any of the current SL clubs barring London, no.
I give it three years before licensing is reintroduced, and hopefully that isn't three years too late.'"
You have a very low opinion of the Championship Clubs it would seem, I on the other hand believe that there is real potential within the lower tiers if it is properly marketed
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "You have a very low opinion of the Championship Clubs it would seem, I on the other hand believe that there is real potential within the lower tiers if it is properly marketed'" Which Championship clubs do you think could attract crowds of 10,000, or have the finances to be able to even spend the full SL salary cap? Hunslet? Batley? Come on. The majority of Championship clubs have no hope in hell of ever reaching SL level. Even clubs like Featherstone would struggle to get anywhere near the standard of even the smallest SL clubs. I'm not sure how anyone thinks they will be 'increasing standards' by bringing in a bunch of clubs that are even worse than the current crop. It's as though the game is hell-bent on regressing to the 1970's.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: headhunter "Which Championship clubs do you think could attract crowds of 10,000, or have the finances to be able to even spend the full SL salary cap? Hunslet? Batley? Come on. The majority of Championship clubs have no hope in hell of ever reaching SL level. Even clubs like Featherstone would struggle to get anywhere near the standard of even the smallest SL clubs. I'm not sure how anyone thinks they will be 'increasing standards' by bringing in a bunch of clubs that are even worse than the current crop. It's as though the game is hell-bent on regressing to the 1970's.'"
When all current SL clubs are pulling in 10,000 then your post has relevance, if you had all current Championship clubs pulling in double what they are at the moment then you would start to exert real pressure on the lower SL clubs and licencing then starts to work
And I dont think change right now is the correct option, but then again I'm like you not personally propping up a SL club with bucketfuls of money
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "When all current SL clubs are pulling in 10,000 then your post has relevance, if you had all current Championship clubs pulling in double what they are at the moment then you would start to exert real pressure on the lower SL clubs and licencing then starts to work
And I dont think change right now is the correct option, but then again I'm like you not personally propping up a SL club with bucketfuls of money'" The fact that some SL clubs aren't already getting 10,000 isn't an excuse for introducing a bunch of clubs that lack the potential to get anywhere near that figure. I don't think an entire league doubling its average crowd is really realistic, but even if that happened most of the Championship clubs would still be way off the mark. FWIW I'm not too bothered about the crowds of Championship clubs in relation to their SL potential, but even the top Championship clubs would struggle to be anything but the worst/second worst supported in SL. We're supposed to be leaving behind the minimum standards, not introducing clubs with even lower standards, or barely above minimum.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: headhunter "The fact that some SL clubs aren't already getting 10,000 isn't an excuse for introducing a bunch of clubs that lack the potential to get anywhere near that figure. I don't think an entire league doubling its average crowd is really realistic, but even if that happened most of the Championship clubs would still be way off the mark. FWIW I'm not too bothered about the crowds of Championship clubs in relation to their SL potential, but even the top Championship clubs would struggle to be anything but the worst/second worst supported in SL. We're supposed to be leaving behind the minimum standards, not introducing clubs with even lower standards, or barely above minimum.'"
Yes we are, but I dont know if you've noticed, it isnt happening
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I keep hearing from many respected names within the game that SL as it stands just doesnt work because of the lack of finances and more importantly the lack of depth in playing talent.There just isnt enough talent to go around.So the brilliant idea they come up with is to reduce the number of teams.
Shaun Wane in his interview with Sky came out and said that with the strength of the NRL and the loss of our best players to that league that the way forward is for SL teams to develop their own talent the same way Wigan are doing.All sounds great in theory but then this happens.
www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ew-zealand
Make a note of the comment made by Dean Bell
"Bell said today's announcement signalled a new direction in the club's recruitment strategy as they begin to target young players from not only New Zealand but also other parts of world."
Now if one of our most successful SL clubs and a club with a fantastic youth development programme cannot keep hold of 2 of its brightest prospects then this really is a worrying sign for the long term survival of SL.
I guess my point is that there are a lot bigger issues that should be being dealt with rather than going back to the exact same system that was deemed to be a total failure just a few short years ago.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.
If action isnt taken to try and stem the increasing player drain to the NRL then come 2015 there wont be much of a SL worth watching which will have a major impact on TV revenues and Outside sponsorship.The financial implications could be devastating but hey,at least we will be playing in 2 nice leagues of 12 equally talentless teams with p and r for that extra bit of excitement.Cant Wait.
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I keep hearing from many respected names within the game that SL as it stands just doesnt work because of the lack of finances and more importantly the lack of depth in playing talent.There just isnt enough talent to go around.So the brilliant idea they come up with is to reduce the number of teams.
Shaun Wane in his interview with Sky came out and said that with the strength of the NRL and the loss of our best players to that league that the way forward is for SL teams to develop their own talent the same way Wigan are doing.All sounds great in theory but then this happens.
www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ew-zealand
Make a note of the comment made by Dean Bell
"Bell said today's announcement signalled a new direction in the club's recruitment strategy as they begin to target young players from not only New Zealand but also other parts of world."
Now if one of our most successful SL clubs and a club with a fantastic youth development programme cannot keep hold of 2 of its brightest prospects then this really is a worrying sign for the long term survival of SL.
I guess my point is that there are a lot bigger issues that should be being dealt with rather than going back to the exact same system that was deemed to be a total failure just a few short years ago.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.
If action isnt taken to try and stem the increasing player drain to the NRL then come 2015 there wont be much of a SL worth watching which will have a major impact on TV revenues and Outside sponsorship.The financial implications could be devastating but hey,at least we will be playing in 2 nice leagues of 12 equally talentless teams with p and r for that extra bit of excitement.Cant Wait.
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NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_9857.jpg |
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| Here's an idea, scrap any salary cap for championship clubs. If a club outside SL can attract an owner willing to fund a full time squad of decent players that will win them promotion and see them competitive when they go up then let them. Will see some big scores but who cares, it seems promotion is all that will have any meaning anyway.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Here's an idea, scrap any salary cap for championship clubs. If a club outside SL can attract an owner willing to fund a full time squad of decent players that will win them promotion and see them competitive when they go up then let them. Will see some big scores but who cares, it seems promotion is all that will have any meaning anyway.'"
Dont be silly.The RFL doesnt like to promote ambition.It likes to keep everyone dumbed down to the lowest common denomination.Its only fair to keep everyone at the level of the poorest clubs and it certainly doesnt want to attract more rich owners into the game willing to spend money or attract outside sponsorship so that all clubs can have more cash to waste.
You Championship bods really need to learn your place and stop upsetting the RFL masterplan for total mediocrity for everyone.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: JobsForTheWives "I keep hearing from many respected names within the game that SL as it stands just doesnt work because of the lack of finances and more importantly the lack of depth in playing talent.There just isnt enough talent to go around.So the brilliant idea they come up with is to reduce the number of teams.
I guess my point is that there are a lot bigger issues that should be being dealt with rather than going back to the exact same system that was deemed to be a total failure just a few short years ago.
Insanity
So ' respected figures' in RL and also yourself suggest a lack of player quality as the problem, how very negative, does having ' respected figures ' talking the game down help the situation? , what solutions have these ' respected figures ' and yourself for that matter put forward as an answer?
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Quote: Starbug "So ' respected figures' in RL and also yourself suggest a lack of player quality as the problem, how very negative, does having ' respected figures ' talking the game down help the situation? , what solutions have these ' respected figures ' and yourself for that matter put forward as an answer?'"
Dont shoot the messenger Buddy.Not a case of being negative,its being realistic.And to use my quote instead of cherry picking one segment i said lack of player quality and Finances,which is a rather important point. For starters listen to this.
www1.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... estructure
I know this is only one guys opinion but there are at least 4 SL chairman who agree.
Or how about this
www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 13,00.html
Lots of different ideas have been put forward but the RFL seem entrenched in their views.Their masterplan is to go back to the exact same old system we had before SL era.Remember,the one they said wasnt working.
They seem unwilling to embrace new ideas but willing to embrace ones that failed in the past..Their failings to get a Major Sponsorship deal for SL and the whole Stobbart fiasco have shown how badly the RFL are letting down all RL clubs not just SL.
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Quote: Starbug "So ' respected figures' in RL and also yourself suggest a lack of player quality as the problem, how very negative, does having ' respected figures ' talking the game down help the situation? , what solutions have these ' respected figures ' and yourself for that matter put forward as an answer?'"
Dont shoot the messenger Buddy.Not a case of being negative,its being realistic.And to use my quote instead of cherry picking one segment i said lack of player quality and Finances,which is a rather important point. For starters listen to this.
www1.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... estructure
I know this is only one guys opinion but there are at least 4 SL chairman who agree.
Or how about this
www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 13,00.html
Lots of different ideas have been put forward but the RFL seem entrenched in their views.Their masterplan is to go back to the exact same old system we had before SL era.Remember,the one they said wasnt working.
They seem unwilling to embrace new ideas but willing to embrace ones that failed in the past..Their failings to get a Major Sponsorship deal for SL and the whole Stobbart fiasco have shown how badly the RFL are letting down all RL clubs not just SL.
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| A question, as anyone asked this?
What is there a reason why no one wanted to sponsor SL?
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Quote: Horatio Yed "A question, as anyone asked this?
What is there a reason why no one wanted to sponsor SL?'"
Good Question....
You would think that with a game that on a regular basis attracts top TV ratings and has at least 2 live SL games on prime time TV every week that it wouldnt be that difficult for anyone with any sort of buisness Accumen.There again we are talking about the RFL who did however secure a nice bit of change for themselves recently.
www.leaguefreak.com/rugby-footba ... deal-4957/
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Quote: Horatio Yed "A question, as anyone asked this?
What is there a reason why no one wanted to sponsor SL?'"
Good Question....
You would think that with a game that on a regular basis attracts top TV ratings and has at least 2 live SL games on prime time TV every week that it wouldnt be that difficult for anyone with any sort of buisness Accumen.There again we are talking about the RFL who did however secure a nice bit of change for themselves recently.
www.leaguefreak.com/rugby-footba ... deal-4957/
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86.jpg Let all the doubters keep doubting and those who believe keep believing.
We’re only interested in those in the bubble. Anyone who wants to come in the bubble, you can come in.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "A question, as anyone asked this?
What is there a reason why no one wanted to sponsor SL?'" My best guess is because a majority of RL fans are a bunch of s?
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| Quote: Starbug "So ' respected figures' in RL and also yourself suggest a lack of player quality as the problem, how very negative, does having ' respected figures ' talking the game down help the situation? , what solutions have these ' respected figures ' and yourself for that matter put forward as an answer?'"
Exactly, I don't know where Jamie Peacock (among others) gets off by talking down the competition and trying to talk his fellow professionals out of a job but he is a cock.
In fact I'm sick of everyone talking the game down full stop. Are we struggling financially and for sponsorship? Yes, along with every other walk of life aside from premier league football who seem immune. But is the league more competitive than 5/10 years ago? Yes. Is it as competitive as the amazing NRL where every game is a cup final? Well the table would certainly suggest so.
I hear the Superleague mentioned in the media more often than I ever have done. Attendances haven't held up badly considering we are in recession and alot of our clubs play in really poor areas. Do your bit to spread the game for once rather than drag it down at every opportunity.
The most important thing for a growing sport like ours is image, and if you asked most of my football supporting friends they would say it was a joke league because of the franchising. When we are trying to expand the sport and people outside the sport think that, we are on a hiding to nothing. Franchising was a good idea in theory, but it is not in the culture of British sport and we are right to scrap it.
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