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Quote: dboy "...under sharia law, isn't such predatory lending illegal?'"


I've looked. It is.

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Quote: dboy "I've looked. It is.'"



Why are you bringing sharia law into the debate?

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Quote: TheOmen "Only read the first 10 pages, but having worked at Provident myself I want to add something here.

Yes the interest rates are large – but the profit to the company are not. On average for every person who pays back the loan 3 do not, due to the nature of the people taking out the loan there is no point taking court action against them as even if you win they have nothing to give. So in essence to lend out £100 to someone Provident have to “spend” £400 (these figures are based on 10 year old data BTW)

At 435% (which was the top rate when I worked there, not sure what it is now) thats only 35% profit (based on having to make 3 loans to get that back due to non payment.

Now you could make the argument that it’s unfair for those who pay to have to make up the margin for those who don’t, thats the deal with these companies and if more people actually paid up they could probably lower their rates.'"



Maybe if the chief EXEC DID NOT PAY HIMSELF AN ANNUAL SALARY OF £3.5 MILLION POUNDS THEY COULD AFFORD LOWER RATES OF INTEREST TO THE BORROWERS a046.gif

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Quote: Durham Giant "Maybe if the chief EXEC DID NOT PAY HIMSELF AN ANNUAL SALARY OF £3.5 MILLION POUNDS THEY COULD AFFORD LOWER RATES OF INTEREST TO THE BORROWERS
Sorry Durham Giant, this is not how the world spins.
The chief exec will pay himself what the board believe to be a competetive salary, usually with some kind of hefty bonus for hitting sales/profit targets.
£3.5 million seems hefty but, there are plenty of substantial salaries for the top brass of large organisations.
As the man on the street, it always seems bizarre that company bosses can be paid more than the person who is responsible for running the country, regardless of their political leaning but, that's capitalism for you and if they halved his salary tomorrow, it would have zero effect on the interest rates charged.
Bear in mind, we are "happy" for sportsmen and entertainers to be paid well in excess of this guys salary.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Why are you bringing sharia law into the debate?'"



Probably the same reason why they bring hitler into debates!

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Since Thatcher conned us all into believing home ownership was a god given right and we all started buying on tic, the way you generally got something you wanted, was by ing saving up for it!

To blame a company that takes advantage of a society that EXPECTS things, rather than makes do, is chirlish at best. The problem isn't the company...not its CEO on 3.5 million a year......the problem is those people who have forgotten how to or simply can't be d with "making do with what they have"

Well done Bradford Bulls....from being in the ter last January, you are making steps in the right direction.. eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: steamingbull02 "Probably the same reason why they bring hitler into debates!'"


i don't think hitler would have allowed these types of businesses to exist

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Quote: Bull Mania "Why are you bringing sharia law into the debate?'"



Oohhh, I'm sorry. It is inconvenient to have it pointed out that the business model of your newly lauded sponsor, is in direct conflict with the faith beliefs of your new owners?

Money talks I guess. Even when it's "earned" at th expense of the most vulnerable in society, and even when the faith beliefs of the organisation forbid usury.

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Quote: dboy "Oohhh, I'm sorry. It is inconvenient to have it pointed out that the business model of your newly lauded sponsor, is in direct conflict with the faith beliefs of your new owners?'"


Explain then why at Manchester City you can still have a bet, a pint and still buy a sausage roll! When Leeds United asked wether Sharia law would effect them in any way with the take over by GFH Capitol, they assured it wouldn't by Sharia law solicitors!.

Quote: dboy "Money talks I guess. Even when it's "earned" at th expense of the most vulnerable in society, and even when the faith beliefs of the organisation forbid usury.'"


Try looking into sharia law before spouting "facts" you know little about!

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Not wanting to sound like I'm in favour of this sponsorship deal but, sharia law is not "fully" recognised in a uk court of law and if enforced any decission "could" be against civil human rights, and any decission given under sharia law could be reviewed/overturned by any UK court icon_thumb.gif

I'm not a lover of these kind of lenders but if my club were offered this kind of financial support over 3 years I would hope they would rip their hands off, I just wouldn't buy the latest shirt so that I wasn't directly putting money in their pockets or helping to promote them, hopefully that isnt too hypocritical for all the pedants on here icon_wink.gif

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Funding a deal through Islamic finance is not the same as imposing sharia law...

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Quote: dboy "Oohhh, I'm sorry. It is inconvenient to have it pointed out that the business model of your newly lauded sponsor, is in direct conflict with the faith beliefs of your new owners?

Money talks I guess. Even when it's "earned" at th expense of the most vulnerable in society, and even when the faith beliefs of the organisation forbid usury.'"

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Quote: Durham Giant "Maybe if the chief EXEC DID NOT PAY HIMSELF AN ANNUAL SALARY OF £3.5 MILLION POUNDS THEY COULD AFFORD LOWER RATES OF INTEREST TO THE BORROWERS
I hardly think that the directors pay would affect rate. If the directors pay was reduced you could reduce the rates charged or increase shareholder dividends with the money saved, which would you go for, bearing in mind that you are legally required to maximise profits for the shareholders?

Provident are a Publicly traded company, they are legally obliged to maximise profit and price their rates to do so, if their costs went down they may lower rates, but only if doing so would increase revenue (i.e. the loss in revenue from each loan is made up for in more loans being issued) since we have already noted that they are a lender of last resort, and you, me, 99% of the population would not use them then the chances of lowering the rates for 435% to 335% (which really if you lowered his wage for 3.5M to 1M is probably all you could afford) resulting in a huge uptake in loans are slim.

As a result they are legally obliged to keep rates high, even if the chief exec lowers his wage – or are you implying that Provident should break the law?

Now you can argue that the law is maybe wrong and companies shouldn’t be legally obliged to maximise profit – but Provident can’t exactly decide which laws they follow and which they don’t.

You could of cause do what others here seem to suggest – change the business model to only lend to people who you are sure will pay back (and if they don’t pay back has assests that can be seized in the courts) and charge rates of 10-20%, (i.e. be a high street bank) – this of cause works but, by the posters here own logic the people who are “forced” to use Provident now to pay bills/food would not be lent money this way. They will then freeze/starve to death as nobody will then them money, or as one guy suggested be forced to work in a porn or a swet shop. Maybe you think that’s for the best....

For all there are lots of people complaining against Providents rates I have yet to see someone suggest another way that they can still make a profit and yet still lend to people who are unlikely to pay back, if they can think of a way to do this then why don’t they I’m sure everyone who is desperate for money would use the service.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Bear in mind, we are "happy" for sportsmen and entertainers to be paid well in excess of this guys salary.'"


If anyone's going to make millions p.a. - and I'd prefer it if nobody did as it's excessive imo - I'd rather it was people who enhanced the lives of others. This includes sportsmen and other entertainers.

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Quote: dboy "



Oohhh, I'm sorry. It is inconvenient to have it pointed out that the business model of your newly lauded sponsor, is in direct conflict with the faith beliefs of your new owners?

Money talks I guess. Even when it's "earned" at th expense of the most vulnerable in society, and even when the faith beliefs of the organisation forbid usury.'"

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