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| Quote: The Avenger "Quote: The Avenger "Zucchini is 100% right re what TF was actually saying about the 3 subjects and the worlds ending'"
So you think it's OK for Tyson Fury to equate Peodophilia and peodophiles with homosexuality and homosexuals. It's alright right is it, for Fury to compare people who choose or feel forced to have abortions with peodophiles and groomers. While we're condoning his views on the place women should have ie. On their backs or in a kitchen making tea.
Finally it's acceptable to physically threaten someone with a broken jaw and to have some thug jump on his head till he loses consciousness, incidentally this is something that happened to a friend of mine who now needs full time assistance for the rest of his life.'"
Where and when did Fury equate paedophiles to homosexuals exactly?
Quote: The Avenger "Quote: The Avenger "No, I don't like Tyson Fury. I said Zucchini was correct in what he said about what Tyson fury said and meant, rather than some of the made up stuff that seems to be reported.
I'll repeat this - I don't like Tyson Fury and his views. His views however are based on Religion and his Culture, He therefore has every right to say what he wants, and take the consequences that arise from them.'"
His views are based on religious beliefs so he can say whatever he wants?! Yeah alright then, world's f@@k ed if that's the case. "I don't believe black people should have equal rights" is that OK???'"
What religion are you taking that from?
Honestly, people read/hear what they want to hear in order to take offence at every possible occasion.... Someone said earlier that they were 'insulted' by what he said... Get a life, he didn't say it 'to you' or 'about you', just another 'Outraged' bystander...... People need to get a life if a sportsman they've never met or known can say something and they be 'insulted'.
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| Quote: Superted "Get a life, he didn't say it 'to you' or 'about you', just another 'Outraged' bystander...... People need to get a life if a sportsman they've never met or known can say something and they be 'insulted'.'"
I would suggest the opposite is true; surely an indication of a civilised society is that we are able to recognise, and object to, offensive or discriminatory behaviour towards anyone, not just ourselves?
With regard to Tyson Fury - he is free of course to hold his bigoted and dim-witted views about anything at all; but the BBC should have withdrawn his nomination off the back of the comments he made.
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| Quote: bren2k "I would suggest the opposite is true; surely an indication of a civilised society is that we are able to recognise, and object to, offensive or discriminatory behaviour towards anyone, not just ourselves?'"
Well said. Also how does Superted know who would be affected by Fury's comments. I'd imagine there are a fair few gay rugby league fans, and even more who have close friends or relatives who are gay.
Yet again, Fury's supporters getting all wound up that people use the same free speech they bizarrely claim Fury is being denied.
Quote: bren2k "With regard to Tyson Fury - he is free of course to hold his bigoted and dim-witted views about anything at all; but the BBC should have withdrawn his nomination off the back of the comments he made.'"
I don't particularly mind the BBC not withdrawing his nomination, it's a tricky decision for them. My main problem is with the 72,000 s who voted for him.
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| I'm far from a Fury supporter - I wholeheartedly disagree with pretty much everything he says and does, and have a real dislike for the whole 'gypsy' culture and view on life.....
But I also find it ridiculous people are 'offended' by what he actually said - some numpty even went to the length of reporting him to the Police for what he said in the media.... Absolutely ridiculous... And what he said clearly wasn't homophobic otherwise there'd have been Police action:...
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| Fury is, and should be able to say whatever he wants. Just as, everyone has the right to disagree with what he says, but the idea of him being reported to the police, or being kicked off the awards show is absurd. It just makes a martyr of Fury, and creates a barrier between him, and the rest of society when we should be debating the issue, and trying to explain why Fury's views are so backward.
Also, as I've said before, people who beat people up for a living shouldn't be considered good role models for kids. If some parents are worried that someone like Tyson Fury is having an adverse affect on their child then the problem is with them, and not with Fury.
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People can say what the they want. It's then up to the intelligent people in society whether to take any notice of that or not. If some village-idiot dullard like Tyson Fury wants to come out with some bull about fairytale religion horse crap and backwards views about women and abortion (even if he equates them to paedophilia) the that's his right and his decision and more importantly his views.
It impacts our lives as little as the Queens speech on Christmas Day. It means precisely nothing to any of us.
I'll go one further than Steve Hughes and proclaim that being "offended" doesn't exist. How can someone else's words offend you? If you disagree with someone's words fair enough but for them to make you angry or upset? Really?!
People should always be free to say what they want, it's when they take action because of their views when society should step-in.
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People can say what the they want. It's then up to the intelligent people in society whether to take any notice of that or not. If some village-idiot dullard like Tyson Fury wants to come out with some bull about fairytale religion horse crap and backwards views about women and abortion (even if he equates them to paedophilia) the that's his right and his decision and more importantly his views.
It impacts our lives as little as the Queens speech on Christmas Day. It means precisely nothing to any of us.
I'll go one further than Steve Hughes and proclaim that being "offended" doesn't exist. How can someone else's words offend you? If you disagree with someone's words fair enough but for them to make you angry or upset? Really?!
People should always be free to say what they want, it's when they take action because of their views when society should step-in.
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| I think when someone is describing you as less than them, just because of who you are ie skin colour, gender, sexuality etc then you could well be offended.
But it's not being offended that's the issue, I don't care about how many or how few people are offended by what anyone says.
I do care about parts of society being belittled and denigrated. I don't care whether that's homosexuals, women, Muslims, or (in the case of this government and certain sections of the media) the poor and disabled.
Dividing society into sections only leads to competition and division in society, and that leads to distrust and dislike or hatred, which in turn ultimately leads to violence.
Again, I don't think anyone on here has said Fury should be arrested or not be able to express his views. So I'm not sure why it's become an issue on here and I still don't get why some people are so keen to defend him or paint him as some kind of "victim" or that some people on here are going over the top in their condemnation of Fury.
In my opinion the condemnation of Fury has been sorely underwhelming. It should be made much, much more obvious what a complete and utter c[nt he really is.
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| I'd also add, whilst I don't think Fury should have had his nomination rescinded, I have sympathy with that viewpoint. Because putting him up on that stage with the likes of Murray, Rutherford, Sinfield and Ennis gives him a kind of equity with them that he doesn't deserve.
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| Quote: "I'd also add, whilst I don't think Fury should have had his nomination rescinded, I have sympathy with that viewpoint. Because putting him up on that stage with the likes of Murray, Rutherford, Sinfield and Ennis gives him a kind of equity with them that he doesn't deserve.'"
On a Sportspersons awards programme he has equity with them as he is a world title holder i.e. the best in the world just like the others
Typically you are trying to politicise the event by focusing on his out of ring comments. A similar number of people voted for him that voted for the face of the London Olympics
Quote: "Dividing society into sections only leads to competition and division in society, and that leads to distrust and dislike or hatred, which in turn ultimately leads to violence.
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Nothing like simplifying life
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| Quote: "In my opinion the condemnation of Fury has been sorely underwhelming. It should be made much, much more obvious what a complete and utter c[nt he really is.'"
Society will decide the level of condemnation not extreme liberals like you. Have you maybe considered that you are the other end of the spectrum to someone like Fury and that people despise your extreme unwelcome sterilising view.
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| Quote: wire-quin "On a Sportspersons awards programme he has equity with them as he is a world title holder i.e. the best in the world just like the others'"
No he doesn't. None of those other people espouse such views. Equality and discrimination are just as relevant in sport as they are anywhere else.
Quote: wire-quin "Typically you are trying to politicise the event by focusing on his out of ring comments. A similar number of people voted for him that voted for the face of the London Olympics '"
Only if you think equality doesn't belong in sport. Which would be a strange thing.
And yes, my problem is with those 72,000 douchebags who voted for him.
Quote: wire-quin "Nothing like simplifying life'"
You don't think discriminatory views are divisive in society? They don't, for instance, lead to violence against those who are viewed as inferior or less worthy in some fashion?
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| Fury clearly has a degree of bi-polar. No excuse but his mouth is always going to run away with him. I'm more offended by someone using the term 'douchebag'....American cobblers of the highest order...you can pack that in.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Society will decide the level of condemnation not extreme liberals like you. Have you maybe considered that you are the other end of the spectrum to someone like Fury and that people despise your extreme unwelcome sterilising view.'"
I was meaning by the media and other organisations. But helpful you brought up society deciding. Society did decide. There has been lots of condemnation by ordinary people. They organised a petition for instance. But you criticised society's response. Just as you've criticised the response by this society on here.
I desperately, desperately hope I am at the other end of the spectrum to Fury. Everyone should be.
The fact that you would describe someone who merely doesn't want one section of society discriminated and denigrated as an extreme liberal shows you up for what you really are. I've not called for Fury to be investigated in any sense by the state. So, yet again, is Fury to be allowed free speech but not anyone who disagrees with his disgraceful views? You sound very much like his uncle. Y'know, the one who doesn't think gays should be equated to paedophiles but they're still basically second class citizens.
As you think equality is an extreme liberal, unwelcome position, I'm starting to wonder if you actually agree with Fury.
It seems a very committed defence of a scumbag from you otherwise.
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| Even if you put to one side his views in regards to suitability for a sports award, he still spoke about himself in the 3rd person....."Tyson Fury doesn't hate people".....that alone was good enough reason not to vote for him.
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| But he holds 3 world boxing titles and as such is one of the best sportsman/women we have in UK. End off, and as such should be judged on his sporting achievements in a sporting awards competition.That, even you can't argue against albeit you will because your an opinionated bigot.
'And yes, my problem is with those 72,000 douchebags who voted for him.'
What's your problem with the douchebags who maybe have an alternate opinion to you?
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