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| Quote: wigsey "Great game. haven't been so gutted since the Ricky Stuart last minute winner in 1990 at old Trafford. England deserved the win and everyone played their part.
It's easy to pick moments that changed the match and shortcomings in individual moments by individual players.
But in reality that was a superb team performance. Some had better games than others but that is always going to be the way in any team.
Sometimes luck is not on your side (all too often with England/GB RL)
All the players deserved their place and nine games out of ten that was an England win.
I think we should all sit back and congratulate the team rather than start a pathetic Sinfield got this wrong, Ferres had a bad game, tomkins was no good cr@p.'" Well said
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| Quote: wigsey "Great game. haven't been so gutted since the Ricky Stuart last minute winner in 1990 at old Trafford. England deserved the win and everyone played their part.
It's easy to pick moments that changed the match and shortcomings in individual moments by individual players.
But in reality that was a superb team performance. Some had better games than others but that is always going to be the way in any team.
Sometimes luck is not on your side (all too often with England/GB RL)
All the players deserved their place and nine games out of ten that was an England win.
I think we should all sit back and congratulate the team rather than start a pathetic Sinfield got this wrong, Ferres had a bad game, tomkins was no good cr@p.'"
I dont believe in luck.
The best definition i have heard is that luck is being able to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises.
This WC England had two great opportunities. This is not a great Australian side and this was a weakened NZ side IMHO
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| Quote: Durham Giant "I dont believe in luck.
The best definition i have heard is that luck is being able to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises.
This WC England had two great opportunities. This is not a great Australian side and this was a weakened NZ side IMHO'"
Durham Giant you are a prat, not a great Australan side and this was a weakened NZ side, what a load of rubbish.
How is the NZ side weakened and any Australian team that has GI, billy slater, Cameron smith, Jonathan Thurston, Cooper cronk (do you need me to go on?) is not a weak side.
You are a plank of the highest order
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| It's always a weakened NZ side. It's always ''the worst aussie side in a generation''.
Every year ''we'll never get a better chance''.
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| Stupid thing is it's probably the best NZ team to come over here since 2000
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| Quote: christopher "Durham Giant you are a prat, not a great Australan side and this was a weakened NZ side, what a load of rubbish.
How is the NZ side weakened and any Australian team that has GI, billy slater, Cameron smith, Jonathan Thurston, Cooper cronk (do you need me to go on?) is not a weak side.
You are a plank of the highest order'"
Christopher you are a PRAT do you really think that New Zealand are better by losing Pritchard and Vatuvei.
This is an Australian team which despite all the players you mention has no one as good as Lockyer and the forwards are weaker than they were four years ago. So no it is not a great Australian side compared to others that have come here.
You are a PLANK of the highest order
( see i can do your insults bigger than you do them)
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Christopher you are a PRAT do you really think that New Zealand are better by losing Pritchard and Vatuvei.
This is an Australian team which despite all the players you mention has no one as good as Lockyer and the forwards are weaker than they were four years ago. So no it is not a great Australian side compared to others that have come here.
You are a PLANK of the highest order
( see i can do your insults bigger than you do them)'"
You didn't really do them bigger you just copied them.
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| Quote: christopher "You didn't really do them bigger you just copied them.'"
you wrote prat and plank
I wrote PRAT and PLANK. They look bigger if i had just copied them they would have read prat and plank but they dont.
Not only do you need to go back to school could i suggest you visit an opticians.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "you wrote prat and plank
I wrote PRAT and PLANK. They look bigger if i had just copied them they would have read prat and plank but they dont.
Not only do you need to go back to school could i suggest you visit an opticians.'"
Jeez you really are quite immature aren't you.
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| Quote: Mike Ehrmantraut "Morley was close to agreeing to play for NSW whilst he was over there but pulled out when he realised it would mean changing allegiance to Aus IIRC?'"
That's not exactly true.
He was once asked by an aussie journo would he like to play Origin. He replied "he would love to" but he also said that he wouldn't as it would mean giving up the opportunity to play for his country.
It was then reported that "Morley wants to play Origin" "Morley would play for NSW" etc etc. It got distorted that he'd jack in his GB jersey for the chance to play in the greatest game in the world ...yawn, etc. It was media nonsense.
How do I know? I asked mozza himself just at it started to appear in the media.
Point being he wasn't close to agreeing anything.
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| Sorry but Sinfield is entirely to blame for that last try. England weren't even short on that side and he flew out far too quickly. He clearly thought Johnson was so deep he could get on him before the ball got there. That's the harsh reality. He took the gamble and missed his tackle. Unfortunately Johnson is probably the best stepper in the game - the wrong man to rush.
George Burgess also at fault for the penalty - but in the 79th minute of a game of such speed and intensity you can forgive a 6'5" heavyweight for not bending his back. But still a stupid arm.
That said, a RL game is won over 80 minutes - other players gave penalties and missed tackles - and Sinfield has been outstanding throughout this World Cup. I was one of his doubters and he proved me wrong. I feel for him, his face at the hooter said he knew he'd made a mistake and he doesn't deserve that.
Every England player today was outstanding. S Burgess was a monster, Graham ran his blood to water, Roby outstanding, both wingers excellent, Sinfield instrumental. A few iffy decisions in field kicking but can't fault much else. Everyone should be proud. Gutted.
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| Bottom line is New Zealand were there for the taking today. We blew it big time with our indiscipline, lack of respect for the ball and letting them back in just before and after half time. We lost a lot of go forward with Burrow and Burgess on. You can look at Sinfield's play, but the penalty that led to it was stupid and equally to blame...
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| I thought Charnley was average today as well. His non effort to jump for the high ball that got patted back which NZ promptly scored from..he's a lazy, lazy winger
Briscoe would have at least competed for that and done better from the attacking positions he had. Not once did we kick to our wings high as we successfully did with Briscoe there.
It's the difference between winning and losing and these 'failures' whilst spread across certain players/areas still all point to SM..he just isn't good enough given the talent we have.. (No Crabtree was a major off the richter scale mistake)
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| Crabtree was not missed one bit, our props today were g & s burgess graham and hill all a class or in some cases many classes above Crabtree
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| You can't pick out Charnley or else you might as well continue with George Burgess (giving away penalty), Sinfield (missing conversion and running out of line for their try), Hall for falling over with only one man to beat. Briscoe has had no form whatsoever this season and Charnley was the right guy for the job. Hopefully he'll live and learn...
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