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They are Pontefract, Knottingley and Normanton - all RL hotbeds with no professional team. If they want to watch the pro game, chances are they'll go for one of the nearest, not to mention that Cas is the largest town of the five-towns area.'"
so the people in Knottingly, or Normanton, who live in Wakefield, why wouldnt they go watch Wakefield?

Quote: SmokeyTA "I suspect there are very few people within 20 miles who haven't heard of Castleford, but in reality if there's a fanbase in an area there's always the potential for that fanbase to grow. For example there's a large Castleford fanbase in Selby. The presence of Xscape and Junction 32 are also helping to raise the profile of the area as a whole and with a new stadium located on that development it'll be interesting to see what impact this has.'"
outside RL, There would me no reason people would have, christ even Xscape pretends its in Leeds.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Cas were open to the idea of a feasibility study into a potential groundshare - it was Wakefield who burnt that particular bridge by refusing it outright.

It's reasonable for all clubs to aspire to expand their fanbase, why should Cas be any different just because it's a town with a 40k population? There are a lot of people who don't live in Cas but have links to the town and identify with it in that way, hence a geographically widespread fanbase. As for those who come that don't have links, well you'd have to ask them but I suspect a combination of good marketing, an entertaining product, and a decent family day out.'"
Why do you think they are so many people with links to a pretty small town? These people arent coming to watch Cas, if they were the attendance wouldnt be so low.

As i said, you couldnt wish for a better location for a stadium than Glasshoughton, but if Cas dont find a way to get people to identify with them, they cant build that support. Cas is a small town, among numerous small towns in Wakefield. Wakefield itself struggles to identify itself as separate from Leeds. How are Cas going to sell themselves as the name to align yourself with over and above the much bigger names of Leeds and Wakefield, which are places a fair amount of your fans actually live.'"


How do Aston Villa still exist when they have bigger neighbours in Birmingham and Wolves? By being a success and remaining in the top flight.

The club is slowly growing. The next generation of Cas fans will be the kids of current ones hopefully plus others that are attracted. You never stop being a Cas fan once you start. Could you imagine the horror if your kid came home one day and annouced "I support Leeds". They would be straight to the nearest child psychiatrist.

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Quote: Gazemous "Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?'"

They were at one stage, and Arsenal have built that. They have built their identity as the 'North London Club'

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?'"

They were at one stage, and Arsenal have built that. They have built their identity as the 'North London Club''"


So why can't Cas do the same as the 'East West Yorkshire' club?

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And why would'nt they identify themselves with Castleford?
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The same reason as they wouldnt identify themselves as Vietnamese.

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They just might have probably heard of them as probably not heard of them a poor basis on which to base your flimsy argument on, this is not probably but Cas will have far more supporters than the Rhinos based on the percentage of the population of both towns.'"
this makes absolutely no sense. I've read it a few times and cant decipher what you are trying to say!


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Its so easy to make things up to try and confuse the issue which you seem intent on doing regarding ground share oh and fwiw Cas is in Cas and are just in the unfortunate position like Wakey of having to share a council instead of having their own. '"
Cas isnt in Cas, That would be mental. Cas is Cas. Which is in Wakefield.

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Its well documented that Wakey have to move out of BV after next season, so what is wrong with going to Barnsley they have to go somewhere as well you know, unless of course you are too stupid to comprehend that which I doubt you are.'"
If they are prepared to go to a different city in a different county to share a stadium. Why not stay in their own city, and share a stadium.
Quote: chissitt " I suspect what Cas are saying is that they need to target areas that do not have profesional rugby played in their area in order to keep up with the lucky ones, but once again you are turning comments around to suit your argument trying to make people look stupid, the answers dont always differentiate the comedian from the clown though.'"
Yes, ok. I understand that they are targetting people in other areas not called Cas to come and support Cas. I am asking why if they expect other people would come from other areas to watch a team from a different town play and identify with it. They wouldnt accept people would do the same for a merged club.

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Quote: Gazemous "Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?'"

They were at one stage, and Arsenal have built that. They have built their identity as the 'North London Club''"


So why can't Cas do the same as the 'East West Yorkshire' club?'"

Do people identify themselves as being from East West Yorkshire?

I know if you speak to a lot of people in London they will happily say they are from North London, or Sarf Landan etc.....

I've never heard anyone describe themselves as being from East West Yorkshire

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I'm not sure why Cas are mentioned in this thread. Wakey may be in trouble, go debate that point. Castleford Tigers RLFC are in no trouble what so ever. Our stadium is on track, our club is growing, our future is rosey. We are not merging with anyone, we're not ground sharing. We are building our own new stadium at Glasshoughton and we are aiming for RL success.

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They are Pontefract, Knottingley and Normanton - all RL hotbeds with no professional team. If they want to watch the pro game, chances are they'll go for one of the nearest, not to mention that Cas is the largest town of the five-towns area.'"
so the people in Knottingly, or Normanton, who live in Wakefield, why wouldnt they go watch Wakefield?

Quote: who needs flankers? "I suspect there are very few people within 20 miles who haven't heard of Castleford, but in reality if there's a fanbase in an area there's always the potential for that fanbase to grow. For example there's a large Castleford fanbase in Selby. The presence of Xscape and Junction 32 are also helping to raise the profile of the area as a whole and with a new stadium located on that development it'll be interesting to see what impact this has.'"
outside RL, There would me no reason people would have, christ even Xscape pretends its in Leeds.

Quote: who needs flankers? "Cas were open to the idea of a feasibility study into a potential groundshare - it was Wakefield who burnt that particular bridge by refusing it outright.

It's reasonable for all clubs to aspire to expand their fanbase, why should Cas be any different just because it's a town with a 40k population? There are a lot of people who don't live in Cas but have links to the town and identify with it in that way, hence a geographically widespread fanbase. As for those who come that don't have links, well you'd have to ask them but I suspect a combination of good marketing, an entertaining product, and a decent family day out.'"
Why do you think they are so many people with links to a pretty small town? These people arent coming to watch Cas, if they were the attendance wouldnt be so low.

As i said, you couldnt wish for a better location for a stadium than Glasshoughton, but if Cas dont find a way to get people to identify with them, they cant build that support. Cas is a small town, among numerous small towns in Wakefield. Wakefield itself struggles to identify itself as separate from Leeds. How are Cas going to sell themselves as the name to align yourself with over and above the much bigger names of Leeds and Wakefield, which are places a fair amount of your fans actually live.'"


How do Aston Villa still exist when they have bigger neighbours in Birmingham and Wolves? By being a success and remaining in the top flight.

The club is slowly growing. The next generation of Cas fans will be the kids of current ones hopefully plus others that are attracted. You never stop being a Cas fan once you start. Could you imagine the horror if your kid came home one day and annouced "I support Leeds". They would be straight to the nearest child psychiatrist.'"

It isnt growing is it. We arent seeing tons of people going down to 'the coliseum' are we?

There is a lot of good Cas are doing, but if they limit themselves to such a very small area then they are going to struggle to attract the amount of people they need to, to take that next step.

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Quote: marshman "I'm not sure why Cas are mentioned in this thread. Wakey may be in trouble, go debate that point. Castleford Tigers RLFC are in no trouble what so ever. Our stadium is on track, our club is growing, our future is rosey. We are not merging with anyone, we're not ground sharing. We are building our own new stadium at Glasshoughton and we are aiming for RL success.'"

oh ok, if thats the case it will definitely definitely happen.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "oh ok, if thats the case it will definitely definitely happen.'"


Jolly good SmokeyTA. Glad I didn't get the usual drivel argument in reply and you actually understand. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?'"

They were at one stage, and Arsenal have built that. They have built their identity as the 'North London Club''"


So why can't Cas do the same as the 'East West Yorkshire' club?'"

Do people identify themselves as being from East West Yorkshire?

I know if you speak to a lot of people in London they will happily say they are from North London, or Sarf Landan etc.....

I've never heard anyone describe themselves as being from East West Yorkshire'"


Quite, it's ridiculous. And living in London, I know plenty of people from North London who support a different North London club - Spurs - whose fanbase it's fair to say isn't confined to the borders of Tottenham.

Point is, people identify with clubs regardless of what the name of that club is. I'm sure the vast majority of Manchester United fans around the globe have never been to Manchester. Some are probably unaware that Manchester is actually a place. Man Utd attract fans because of their success. With the increased opportunities afforded to Cas at a new ground, there's no reason they can't become successful on the field as well as off it, and no reason why their fanbase cannot have a reach outside of the five towns.

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There already is a fanbase of fans from outside Cas Gaz, as you already know. I'm not even talking of people who have moved away from Cas like yourself. Through avenues such as Sky Sports we have attracted fans who regularly travel from places such as Stoke for example, to watch Castleford. We aim to attract more from the towns and villages surrounding Castleford and we also aim to bring fans from around the UK.

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Quote: Gazemous "
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Quote: Gazemous "Why would people identify with Arsenal? It's not as if it's an actual place is it?'"

They were at one stage, and Arsenal have built that. They have built their identity as the 'North London Club''"


So why can't Cas do the same as the 'East West Yorkshire' club?'"

Do people identify themselves as being from East West Yorkshire?

I know if you speak to a lot of people in London they will happily say they are from North London, or Sarf Landan etc.....

I've never heard anyone describe themselves as being from East West Yorkshire'"


Quite, it's ridiculous. And living in London, I know plenty of people from North London who support a different North London club - Spurs - whose fanbase it's fair to say isn't confined to the borders of Tottenham.

Point is, people identify with clubs regardless of what the name of that club is. I'm sure the vast majority of Manchester United fans around the globe have never been to Manchester. Some are probably unaware that Manchester is actually a place. Man Utd attract fans because of their success. With the increased opportunities afforded to Cas at a new ground, there's no reason they can't become successful on the field as well as off it, and no reason why their fanbase cannot have a reach outside of the five towns.'"


And Man Utd did an unbelievable amount of work to do that. Man Utd do a ridiculous amount of work overseas and in other areas. Massive. It was fantastic foresight. They player games all over the world, have shops all over the world, they have supporters clubs all over the world, websites in different languages and worked very very very hard to sell themselves as something other than a Manchester football club, they sell the story, the history, the busby babes and all that jazz.

Barcelona compete, they do it even more obviously, Barcelona F.C [iMés que un club[/i More Than a Club! They sell themselves as the Catalan Giants, who dont just win they do it in style with a Catalan flair. They position themselves as the apposite of those big boys with all the help, the states favourite galacticos.

That is the question i am asking you. Are Castleford doing anything to sell themselves to other areas. Are they doing anything to present themselves as something other than the RL club of a small northern town and expecting this stadium to just mean people all of a sudden decide they are from a place they have barely ever been to?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "this makes absolutely no sense. I've read it a few times and cant decipher what you are trying to say!'"


Population of Cas 40,000 ave att 7500
Population of Leeds 250,000 ave att 17000
work it out from that squire.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "so the people in Knottingly, or Normanton, who live in Wakefield, why wouldnt they go watch Wakefield?

outside RL, There would me no reason people would have, christ even Xscape pretends its in Leeds.

Why do you think they are so many people with links to a pretty small town? These people arent coming to watch Cas, if they were the attendance wouldnt be so low.

As i said, you couldnt wish for a better location for a stadium than Glasshoughton, but if Cas dont find a way to get people to identify with them, they cant build that support. Cas is a small town, among numerous small towns in Wakefield. Wakefield itself struggles to identify itself as separate from Leeds. How are Cas going to sell themselves as the name to align yourself with over and above the much bigger names of Leeds and Wakefield, which are places a fair amount of your fans actually live.'"


I shouldn't have bothered replying, because despite being faced with facts (even from some Wakey fans) you're still coming out with the same drivel. Why is it drivel? Because it's full of bias against a club who you clearly don't associate as having a face that fits with the elite and your replies prove that you're completely incapable of looking at it objectively.

Tell me, why do people from the Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and even Castleford areas watch Leeds? How do they identify with Leeds? Why wouldn't they go and watch Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield or Castleford? After all they all have teams competing at the same level.

If anything Cas should be praised for holding onto such a consistently loyal fanbase over the years despite the many challenges and times of adversity the club have faced. But maybe rlthings are looking uprl these days...

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Quote: chissitt "
Population of Cas 40,000 ave att 7500
Population of Leeds 250,000 ave att 17000
work it out from that squire.'"
where the hell did you get a population of 250k for leeds? icon_lol.gif

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