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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I dont care whether Hull FC win or lose, but good on them for putting their faith in Brits, we need more clubs like them, and less like you. Off the field they have a lot to be very proud of.'"
Is this the same Hull FC that have just got Berrigan off quota and are looking overseas for a new halfback?
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "Is this the same Hull FC that have just got Berrigan off quota and are looking overseas for a new halfback?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "its the one with about half the overseas players you have,'"
I'll keep an eye out for their results this weekend.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "i would indeed, they are a joke.
Leeds, we had a great youth policy, relegation ruined that
How strange , I once suggested you were a Leeds Utd fan , and you said you follwed the Arsenal
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "If Hull KR today signed all the best 15/16 year old RL prospects in the country it would still be 3 or 4 years (longer for significant numbers) before we saw those prospects filtering through to the first team. This is the problem with your argument Smokey. You insist Rover's youth development isn't good enough, you don't know what they are doing now. '" youth development isnt the only option. This is the fundemental point. When you need to choose between your youngsters, or a player from the lower leagues or a fringe player at another club you are going to do one of two things, make sure your youngsters are the best or invest a lot more time and effort trying to polish a rough diamond. That isnt happening when the first option to fill a gap in the squad is Australia. If Hull KR couldnt bring in Blake Green they would still have needed to find a player from somewhere, either putting more effort into getting a top class youngster, or putting more effort into training a player from the lower leagues.
And before you say it, there are good enough players outside SL first teams to do that job for you. Keith Senior, Rob Purdham, Ade Gardner, Shaun Lunt, Danny Kirmond, Ewan Dowes, Gareth Raynor all came from outside the SL development system. There are more out there we need to find them.
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You might have more of a point to say that Rovers' youth development hasn't been good enough but that still disregards the problems faced by a newly promoted SL club which you completely fail to acknowledge. I think it's fair to say that Rovers are now on par with Hull FC in terms of youth development and attractiveness of the club to young prospects, evidenced by the relative success at under 18 level. But most of those lads will still require time to get to a standard where they can be blooded in SL.'" you have no way of judging that. Under 18s rugby is really a terrible judge of the quality of youth development. You could have the queensland back line at 17 in an academy but if the forwards are all youngsters still developing then they will be over-run and they arent going to win many games. But if you introduced Inglis, Slater, Boyd Tonga and Folou then you would say your youth development was doing pretty well
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If you could for one minute remove the bias and consider what Hull KR have done well since being promoted you would surely have to recognise that they have got the majority of things right and while there is plenty of work yet to do the youth development at the club is progressing. How many other clubs can claim to have made the great strides forward in every department that Hull KR has in the last five years?'" there is plenty of work to do in every department. I sometimes think that RL suffers as a sport because of how happy people seem to be with accepting the mediocre or building it up to 'great' when it isnt.
Hull KR fail in many many areas, They can get to the level they should be, and it is doing them a disservice to say they are doing 'great' when they are where they are.
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| simple fact is NZ can win the WC with 100 players in 1st grade, England should be able to win it with 200+. Has very little to do with the number of overseas players at a club and everything to do with the RFL not doing its job in getting more kids playing at ages 5-15.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "simple fact is NZ can win the WC with 100 players in 1st grade, England should be able to win it with 200+. Has very little to do with the number of overseas players at a club and everything to do with the RFL not doing its job in getting more kids playing at ages 5-15.'"
we have 250'000 registered players, the fact we cant provide 300 to fill SL squads says the problem lays elsewhere.
fyi, 200 would be an improvement from where we are at right now
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| Quote: Roofs "Blah blah principles blah blah'"
Did you drop this roofs?
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "Is this the same Hull FC that have just got Berrigan off quota and are looking overseas for a new halfback?
this season we had 6 overseas, with cusack retiring that would have taken us down to 5, so with berrigan spot freed up that puts us back on 6, so we havn't added to our number
this overseas malarky has turned into a joke, the scrapping of relegation was all about helping bring youngsters through the system, some teams still want to ignore that or just bring the odd player through for an odd game now and then.
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| Quote: number 6 "
this overseas malarky has turned into a joke, the scrapping of relegation was all about helping bring youngsters through the system, some teams still want to ignore that or just bring the odd player through for an odd game now and then.'"
Isn't that exactly what ' we ' said ?
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| Quote: number 6 "this season we had 6 overseas, with cusack retiring that would have taken us down to 5, so with berrigan spot freed up that puts us back on 6, so we havn't added to our number
this overseas malarky has turned into a joke, the scrapping of relegation was all about helping bring youngsters through the system, some teams still want to ignore that or just bring the odd player through for an odd game now and then.'"
The overseas thing will get better pretty quickly. As I understand it the "Overseas Trained" quota has been steadily reduced from 10 in 2008 to 6 this year and 5 for next season. However at the moment, if what I've been told is true, the majority if not all the overseas players that were under contract in SL when the new rules (Club Trained/UK Trained/Overseas Trained) were introduced in 2008 were exempt from the Overseas Trained quota. Which explains why, for example, Leeds can have 7 overseas players when the quota is only 6 for this year. But as these players slowly retire/go back to the NRL this will be reduced down to the actual level of the quota.
If any of that makes sense.
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| Quote: Starbug "Isn't that exactly what ' we ' said ?'"
probably, but i aint trawling through 16 pages
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| Quote: BigRob "The overseas thing will get better pretty quickly. As I understand it the "Overseas Trained" quota has been steadily reduced from 10 in 2008 to 6 this year and 5 for next season. However at the moment, if what I've been told is true, the majority if not all the overseas players that were under contract in SL when the new rules (Club Trained/UK Trained/Overseas Trained) were introduced in 2008 were exempt from the Overseas Trained quota. Which explains why, for example, Leeds can have 7 overseas players when the quota is only 6 for this year. But as these players slowly retire/go back to the NRL this will be reduced down to the actual level of the quota.
If any of that makes sense.'"
unless certain clubs still go crawling and begging to the rfl for more special dispensation
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| then it becomes the fault of the RFL. Clubs will do what's best for clubs, its the RFL's job to do what's best for the game (although i still don't see how replacing players with poorer quality players due to the poor development systems at school level will improve the SL standard?)
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