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Heighten the profile with a big game. Market the game, get a big crowd, follow on contact with attendees. Is that a little to simple.

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Interesting to note that Ireland and New Zealand played in Chicago in 2016 to a crowd of 62k. Chicago has a huge Irish identity but clearly there are people there willing to watch sports that they don't see very often.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Someday "If it is marketed right it will get 20kor more but that’s a big if for the marketing'"
No, I'm confident of 50k plus. You people have no knowledge of this world.

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Quote: headhunter "No, I'm confident of 50k plus. You people have no knowledge of this world.'"


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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: number 6 "Enough time to market the game then
Imo the nzrl and rfl should send out thousands of free tickets to schools colleges and universities around Denver. May get some younger people hooked and want to play the game'"

Quote: number 6 "and where exactly would they go to play it?'"

Quote: number 6 "People can form clubs to play and access areas with help from the IRLF Negative reply from a flat capper no doubt'"


Number 6. I typed a response your first post but then though better of it as I didn't want to come across as negative for negativity's sake, but your response to a valid point made by Mrpurfect does warrant a response.

The biggest problem with Rugby League and the people tasked with marketing it is that "they honestly believe that one game will get people hooked"......I can assure you that this is a myth. The idea that someone from Denver will attend their first game of RL, say "that's for me" and then set up a club with hopefully 2 dozen or so other "converts" is exactly why our sport has stalled in terms of attracting players, sponsors, fans....in fact in some instances it has gone backwards.

I would think that over the years I have brought over 100 people to their first RL game, yet only 1 returns regularly and less than 5 ever went again.....these are sports fans by the way, people who do attend other sports and events. The fact that I love the game doesn't mean everyone else will.....this is the reality and to claim that the RLIF will "get on board" to assist the formation of a club off the back of this test match is just insane.......

Quote: number 6 "No, I'm confident of 50k plus. You people have no knowledge of this world.'"

I'd love you to be right, but getting 50k to a NEW sport in it's first outing in the region is going to cost Millions of $ in marketing and PR costs to get media coverage. That said I can see a lot of Rugby Union fans and college students interested.....but 50k would be fantastic.

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If they get more than 10K i will be surprised.

I would love to see it full, but 7k would be my guess.

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Quote: headhunter "No, I'm confident of 50k plus. You people have no knowledge of this world.'"

That would be amazing if it was that amount

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Probably irrelevant to the whole expansion point, but even though clubs are being forced to release players, let's just see how many pull out with 'injuries'. My guess is that it will be plenty, particularly from the NRL based players.

There will 100% be pressure on some players to pull the injury card and have a weeks rest instead of flying around the world for what will be deemed a meaningless Test match (I don't see it as meaningless, but the club's will put it that way to their players). This is the acid test for how much does Test rugby actually mean to the players. Mid-season, most, if not all players are carrying knocks and would welcome a week off - I'm sure this will be used as an opportunity to do just that, whilst also keeping their employer happy.

As I say, I doubt players pulling out will have much, if any impact on attendance figures, as it's hardly going to be diehards turning up who'll be put off by weaker teams, but lots of withdrawals will be hammer blow to the credibility of the international game.

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Quote: luke ShipleyRed "
I don't see why we don't put on a game between USA v Canada beforehand?
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Yeah I was thinking that this would be a good idea as well.

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Quote: yorksguy1865 "Yeah I was thinking that this would be a good idea as well.'"

True get in touch with the RLFANS and tell them to get in touch with the USA and Canada teams let’s get it on

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Quote: Someday "True get in touch with the RLFANS and tell them to get in touch with the USA and Canada teams let’s get it on'"


Hey we don't have any impact lol. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Someday "True get in touch with the RLFANS and tell them to get in touch with the USA and Canada teams let’s get it on'"


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Quote: Seth "icon_lol.gif No it was my iPad that should have been the rfl

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Someday "No it was my iPad that should have been the rfl'"

...that's even funnier icon_lol.gif

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Superted " <>snip
let's just see how many pull out with 'injuries'. My guess is that it will be plenty, particularly from the NRL based players.

There will 100% be pressure on some players to pull the injury card and have a weeks rest instead of flying around the world for what will be deemed a meaningless Test match <snip>but lots of withdrawals will be hammer blow to the credibility of the international game.'"

In a nutshell, this, and if it does happen and Moore sports don't get the traction they want, I see the RLWC 2025 being reallocated.

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