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| Quote: roofaldo2 "Ok, but that's about 6% of people with Sky watching RL and only 3.5% of people with BT watching Union. It's still showing RL is better at attracting a viewing audience.'"
Well not really, because we aren’t single person households, so you wouldn’t start from 60/70m people, but 25million households,
its also unlikely that everyone could possibly, conceivably watch TV at the same time, there are going to be a few million working, on holiday, just generally busy at any one time anyway.
Its also unlikely that everyone would watch it on their own rather than in groups.
So its probably closer to 25% of households have access to Sky Sports and about 8% to BT sports. But that figure is still affected by the above
That figure is pretty much meaningless which is why you don’t often, except for huge events like the olympics opening ceremony or an England football World Cup game, find it expressed that way. Usually it will be expressed as an Audience Share, so the proportion of people watching tv at that time watching that programme. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
Contrary to popular belief im no great fan of Nigel Wood’s administration, I think he is making some huge mistakes. This isn’t one of them, this is a case of him doing a pretty good job and its difficult to find criticism of his negotiations with sky credible,
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So the facts are:
RL will get around £40m per year from 2017 for providing viewing figures of around 300k.
Meanwhile RU get just short of £51m per year NOW for providing viewing figures of around 65k. What were the RFU thinking inviting several tv companies to make bids?
Nigel has certainly socked it to BT and the RFU.
Meanwhile the French RU have around £60m per year for the next five years. The suckers played canal + against BeIn and others.
When will these RU lot learn? |
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Even when the RU was on Sky their figures were dwarfed by Super League (and often even beaten by Championship RL when that was on Sky)
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| Quote: JonB95 "Even when the RU was on Sky their figures were dwarfed by Super League (and often even beaten by Championship RL when that was on Sky)'"
Good point. So why are RL deals so much poorer than RU? |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "
Meanwhile RU get just short of £51m per year NOW for providing viewing figures of around 65k. What were the RFU thinking inviting several tv companies to make bids?
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No they don't. They're on less per year than the new Sky RL deal. |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "Good point. So why are RL deals so much poorer than RU?'"
They're not. |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "So the facts are
You think both RL and RU are on a pay per viewer basis? You think that’s how it is priced? That’s so naïve I wouldn’t know where to start.
Whats funny about this is you have used the example of French RU to back up your point, when in reality it absolutely destroys your own argument. BeIn sports were contemplating court action because FRU accepted a LOWER offer from Canal+ because they had a wider viewing platform. 
And just a point order, the Premiership rugby deal isn’t worth £51m a year, it is a £152m a year deal for 4 years. That would be £38m a year. A proportion of that, thought to be about £20m is for a European competition, So that becomes £132m for 4 years, or £33m per year and it has caused huge problems in European Cup rugby and could possibly destroy the HC, as well as limiting exposure to about a quarter of ours. Frankly, for once, compared to our TV deal, the premiership Rugby one looks poor.
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Given the absence of a comparative Super League attendance thread on this forum in 2014, it's fantastic news that it is to be replaced by a SL TV audience thread oozing in weekly positivity. I am confident that such a thread shall prove attractive to all those who found it emotionally difficult to cope with the prospect of another SL attendance thread 
It is also fantastic news that the RFL are back in business again reporting the news on TV audiences for SL. It is to be hoped they are also back in business reporting news on SL attendances this season because they were conspicuous by their absence last year.
The quoted 353,000 Sky Sports 1 TV audience for last weeks Wigan V Huddersfield game is mightily impressive. However, the percentage increase figure in the RFL press release does raise a question... namely... it smashed all box office records by representing a 38% increase on the audience figure for the opening SL game last season between Leeds and Hull.
According to the figures at www.barb.co.uk, the TV audience on Sky Sports 1 for the Leeds V Hull opening SL game in 2013 was 188,000 therefore 353,000 must surely represent an 88% increase as opposed to a 38% increase? I'm sure that the RFL would be more than keen on reporting an 88% increase on last season as opposed to a more modest 38% increase?
It's also worth noting that the RFL had absolutely nothing to say about the TV audience on Sky for the opening SL game in 2013 between Leeds and Hull. Would that be because the TV audience figure of 188,000 was 25% less than the 251,000 tuning into the opening SL fixture of the season between Widnes and Wakefield in 2012?
I wonder if the RFL can confirm the source of their TV audience figure for the Leeds V Hull game in 2013 which would be around 256,000 (based upon 353,000 being a 38% increase on last year) when BARB's published audience figure was 188,000? |
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Given the absence of a comparative Super League attendance thread on this forum in 2014, it's fantastic news that it is to be replaced by a SL TV audience thread oozing in weekly positivity. I am confident that such a thread shall prove attractive to all those who found it emotionally difficult to cope with the prospect of another SL attendance thread
It is also fantastic news that the RFL are back in business again reporting the news on TV audiences for SL. It is to be hoped they are also back in business reporting news on SL attendances this season because they were conspicuous by their absence last year.
The quoted 353,000 Sky Sports 1 TV audience for last weeks Wigan V Huddersfield game is mightily impressive. However, the percentage increase figure in the RFL press release does raise a question... namely... it smashed all box office records by representing a 38% increase on the audience figure for the opening SL game last season between Leeds and Hull.
According to the figures at www.barb.co.uk, the TV audience on Sky Sports 1 for the Leeds V Hull opening SL game in 2013 was 188,000 therefore 353,000 must surely represent an 88% increase as opposed to a 38% increase? I'm sure that the RFL would be more than keen on reporting an 88% increase on last season as opposed to a more modest 38% increase?
It's also worth noting that the RFL had absolutely nothing to say about the TV audience on Sky for the opening SL game in 2013 between Leeds and Hull. Would that be because the TV audience figure of 188,000 was 25% less than the 251,000 tuning into the opening SL fixture of the season between Widnes and Wakefield in 2012?
I wonder if the RFL can confirm the source of their TV audience figure for the Leeds V Hull game in 2013 which would be around 256,000 (based upon 353,000 being a 38% increase on last year) when BARB's published audience figure was 188,000? | |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You think both RL and RU are on a pay per viewer basis?
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I did not say it was ppv. It must be the voices in your head. |
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| Quote: littlerich "Fantastic news this. The mere mention of Championship clubs coming back into the fold has already whetted the appetite of the public. Marvellous.'"
I agree there is certainly more interest shown around the sport in general at the minute, folks watching SL to see who will make the drop at the end of the year and which championship clubs are in with a shout of the 24 next season. |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "I did not say it was ppv. It must be the voices in your head.'"
Dont try and copy FA's insult to you. Its not witty the 2nd time. Just sad.
And i didnt say it was Pay-per-view. I said were you thinking it was priced on a pay per viewer basis, these are two different things. You can pretend they are the same because it sounds similar, but it isnt going to make your argument any more credible.
it does seem though your entire argument was based on a naive reading of a single part of a much larger puzzle. |
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BARB figures for opening SL Rounds
2014 - Wigan V Huddersfield, Fri 7 Feb, SS1, TO BE ANNOUNCED (353,000 according to the RFL)
2013 - Leeds V Hull, Fri 1 Feb, SS1, 188,000
2013 - St Helens V Hudds, Sat 2 Feb, SS1, 168,000
2012 - Widnes V Wakefield, Fri 3 Feb, SS1, 251,000
2011 - Hull V Leeds, Fri 18 Feb, SS1, 196,000
2011 - Castleford V Huddersfield, Sat 19 Feb, SS2, 91,000
2010 - Friday Night Game, Fri 5 Feb, SS1, 197,000
2010 - St Helens V Hull, Sat 6 Feb, SS2, 137,000
2009 - Friday Night Game, Fri 13 Feb, SS2, 150,000
2009 - Salford V Crusaders, Sat 14 Feb, SS2, 129,000
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2011 - Millennium Magic, Sat 12 Feb, SS1, 140,000
2011 - MM Leeds V Bradford, Sun 13 Feb, SS2, 192,000
2011 - MM Hull V Hull KR, Sun 13 Feb, SS2, 136,000
2011 - MM Salford V Crusaders, Sun 13 Feb, SS2, 112,000
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| Quote: SaBadSel "I agree there is certainly more interest shown around the sport in general at the minute, folks watching SL to see who will make the drop at the end of the year and which championship clubs are in with a shout of the 24 next season.'"
That would certainly be the reason people would tune in to Wigan V Huddersfield. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Dont try and copy FA's insult to you. Its not witty the 2nd time. Just sad.
And i didnt say it was Pay-per-view. I said were you thinking it was priced on a pay per viewer basis, these are two different things. You can pretend they are the same because it sounds similar, but it isnt going to make your argument any more credible.
it does seem though your entire argument was based on a naive reading of a single part of a much larger puzzle.'"
You are now suggesting you can say what I am thinking (inside my head  )....that is just sad. Do you think you can read thoughts? Gosh!
You see tv companies do have an interest in viewing figures...honest. Ask an adult, they can confirm it for you.
I have seen many posters call others naïve. so you doing so after hundreds have done so is...deeply moving.
I take your point re RU being over 4 years. Still a better deal than RL despite the later being a more popular on tv. I guess RU have learned that it helps to speak to more than on tv company. When the RFL get a CEO /board who understand this principle our game will be better served. |
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This news is obvisouly great, but it does highlight some massive shortfallings elsewhere in our sport, mainly the sponsorship problem.
If SL and RL is so well received by the viewing public, why have we had problems securing sponsors and why are the sponsorship deals generally lower than those at our nearest sporting comparison?
Also, if the TV audience does so well, and the World cup was so well attended, why are we struggling to get crowds through the gates at many clubs?
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