Let's not forget that there was already massive established and arguably world class RL talent in New Zealand before The Warriors came to fruition.

I don't know. I can't predict the future.

It was a question solely aimed at the (thankfully) small band of anti-expantionistas on this thread.

ok lets pick an all time rl welsh team
oh hang on most of them ended up at widnes in the 80's, oh deary me that sort of buggers up there arguments doesnt it... i never thought of that

Which is exactly why we have the shambles we currently have , because anybody with an iota of business sense would have seen that the Celtic Crusaders are no where near a strong enough business to be trying to compete with the other businesses in SL

And who decided to put them there ?

The people who are running the whole business , so what does that tell you about them ?

So I suggest you use those ' big ' words you know and pen a letter to the RFL explaining why they should not have put a totally unready club into SL and why they cannot force the expansion of the game as they seem to think they can

Let's not forget that 17/24 of the World Cup winning squad didn't play for the Warriors.

The talent pool was already there.

sometimes you get to a point where you need to sink or swim, thats where celtic were, they werent an organically grown club, with small increases in success bring small increases in income constantly pushed forward by a willing public,

simply because that has never, and isnt ever likely to happen with any club, anywhere, not even the heartland clubs




if you look just next to that article on the top right hand corner you will see a link to a story from 16th july when the UKBA were already investigating this

on that point i agree, but would you really put widnes leight and halifax in that catagory, and more importantly would you have done 2 years ago, when submissions were made??? face facts mr m jackson looked like the best business in the world 4 months ago, you buying shares now?

Be interesting to know what the RFL have to say.

Not quite 2 years ago , Leigh , no I stated at the time we were not ready and most likely never will be , same with Fax , Widnes yes

The problem is the RFL have bent the rules that much to get them there they had to put them in or they would have dissapeared

And artificially producing competitive clubs does not prepare them to move up , when those ' advantages ' are then removed the club cannot survive

you mean like a salary cap? or slowing the PTB down?

eh did you ever try putting widnes in to company rating software at the time?
the would have been catagorised as high risk because they had insolvency issues within the previous 3 years, if press reports are true.

in shot starbug, would youi have put your house in to widnes, and if not why should the rfl take the same risk??