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| Quote: snowie "...it was dull due to the lack of any sort of supporters and quality rugby'"
Corrected, last night was just bad. Blaming the lack of a few hundred ed up away fans is overlooking the problem.
Thursday night games in general are bad for atmosphere.
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| Quote: Donnyman "You really believe that they have the freedom to move away from the script. The script has to be to tell us all how exciting and groundbreaking it all is otherwise they will just be putting SKY viewers off. They have to play everything up and are paid to do so as the mighty Snowie says. You on the other hand are free to judge TWP with an open mind, do please try it, remembering they are here to expand the player pool and the TV deals.'"
You have been saying for ages now that Sky do not want Toronto or overseas teams. Why would they tell their employees to now publicly support them? |
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| Quote: The Silent H "You have been saying for ages now that Sky do not want Toronto or overseas teams. Why would they tell their employees to now publicly support them?'"
Or indeed televise their games at all. Surely the best reflection of what Sky feels various teams have to offer will be reflected in how often each features. |
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| Quote: The Silent H "You have been saying for ages now that Sky do not want Toronto or overseas teams. Why would they tell their employees to now publicly support them?'"
Because he has no idea what he’s talking about and just makes things up to support his narrative |
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Quote: The Silent H "You have been saying for ages now that Sky do not want Toronto or overseas teams. Why would they tell their employees to now publicly support them?'"
I've never said that at all. but when people cannot find an answer to the point made they usually try to shoot the Messenger. They try to argue that the point is "[ionly an opinion[/i". They then demand "evidence" even though they have never posted a shred of evidence in their whole life on here!! Somehow they think that if they don't bother to research something, or listen to those who run the game then it never happened and was never said.......
Mr. McManus made it clear the SKY contract needed English clubs in it because it's English club fans who buy the subscriptions. He sad it not me. Mr. McManus and Mr. Pearson at Hull conceded that a couple of overseas clubs could be admitted with the aim of those clubs stimulating expansion in terms of a bigger player pool and such clubs getting their own TV deal to add to the one here. But Mr. McManus speaking for the SL clubs was not convinced Toronto were ever going to supply Canadian players or a TV deal.
If you want to question that then here are the contact details https://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/whos-who/
As for your "Troll" point you know full well why nobody on SKY would say anything against the clubs SKY are showcasing. |
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Quote: The Silent H "You have been saying for ages now that Sky do not want Toronto or overseas teams. Why would they tell their employees to now publicly support them?'"
I've never said that at all. but when people cannot find an answer to the point made they usually try to shoot the Messenger. They try to argue that the point is "[ionly an opinion[/i". They then demand "evidence" even though they have never posted a shred of evidence in their whole life on here!! Somehow they think that if they don't bother to research something, or listen to those who run the game then it never happened and was never said.......
Mr. McManus made it clear the SKY contract needed English clubs in it because it's English club fans who buy the subscriptions. He sad it not me. Mr. McManus and Mr. Pearson at Hull conceded that a couple of overseas clubs could be admitted with the aim of those clubs stimulating expansion in terms of a bigger player pool and such clubs getting their own TV deal to add to the one here. But Mr. McManus speaking for the SL clubs was not convinced Toronto were ever going to supply Canadian players or a TV deal.
If you want to question that then here are the contact details https://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/whos-who/
As for your "Troll" point you know full well why nobody on SKY would say anything against the clubs SKY are showcasing. | |
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| Quote: Steph Curry "Because he has no idea what he’s talking about and just makes things up to support his narrative'"
Ha ha - here we go again "shoot the messenger" trolling  You've been telling people on here for years how TWP are the future.
You've been ignoring the $10,000,000 debt, the absence of a cent of TV money, and no Canadian players ever.
Bottom of the league and set to run out of troops - Oh the glamour of it all Bring on New York and Ottawa...
More! the crowds cry  all hail "expansion".... |
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| Quote: Donnyman "I've never said that at all. but when people cannot find an answer to the point made they usually try to shoot the Messenger. They try to argue that the point is "[ionly an opinion[/i". They then demand "evidence" even though they have never posted a shred of evidence in their whole life on here!! Somehow they think that if they don't bother to research something, or listen to those who run the game then it never happened and was never said.......
Mr. McManus made it clear the SKY contract needed English clubs in it because it's English club fans who buy the subscriptions. He sad it not me. Mr. McManus and Mr. Pearson at Hull conceded that a couple of overseas clubs could be admitted with the aim of those clubs stimulating expansion in terms of a bigger player pool and such clubs getting their own TV deal to add to the one here. But Mr. McManus speaking for the SL clubs was not convinced Toronto were ever going to supply Canadian players or a TV deal.
If you want to question that then here are the contact details
Although they may form part of Sky's income, it's not the subscriptions that will decide the level of sponsorship from Sky, it's the level of advertising that they can secure on the back of showing RL on their platform.
Of course they would love to have 5X the level of subscriptions but, they would need to find a way to prevent people "watching from abroad" on dodgy systems.
Also regarding Toronto (and Catalan), if they dont receive a slice of the Sky "cake", it may be that the rest of the SL clubs are more than happy to have them make up the numbers.
For instance, if there were say, 6 overseas clubs in the comp, who didn't receive a share of the cash, the 6 UK clubs would receive a massively higher share ?
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| Quote: Donnyman "SKY don't want a Transatlantic league they want an English league. The TV deal won't shrink it will disappear if we let all these phoney clubs in.'"
Seems that you did. |
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Quote: Clearwing "Surely the best reflection of what Sky feels various teams have to offer will be reflected in how often each features.'"
This isn't true at all because SKY have to provide the fans subscribing to watch their clubs play, with games involving their clubs. Way back when Huddersfield were serial losers, Huddersfield fans still paid their subs and were provided with Huddersfield games. Fartown offered nothing much but were featured as their fans were paying. Of course the successful clubs are on more because they won through to the play offs, and they probably provide higher numbers of subscribers.
Toronto Wolfpack and Les Catalans offer SKY nothing as their fans don't subscribe, but SKY can hardly demand they won't show these clubs. Mr. McManus dealt with this saying that SKY concede a couple of expansion clubs because they do not want to stand in the way of the game expanding it's commercial income and quality player base. That's how it is.
https://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/whos-who/ if you want to check with McManus. Question for you - how many players have TWP developed and how much TV money are they attracting in North America? |
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Quote: Clearwing "Surely the best reflection of what Sky feels various teams have to offer will be reflected in how often each features.'"
This isn't true at all because SKY have to provide the fans subscribing to watch their clubs play, with games involving their clubs. Way back when Huddersfield were serial losers, Huddersfield fans still paid their subs and were provided with Huddersfield games. Fartown offered nothing much but were featured as their fans were paying. Of course the successful clubs are on more because they won through to the play offs, and they probably provide higher numbers of subscribers.
Toronto Wolfpack and Les Catalans offer SKY nothing as their fans don't subscribe, but SKY can hardly demand they won't show these clubs. Mr. McManus dealt with this saying that SKY concede a couple of expansion clubs because they do not want to stand in the way of the game expanding it's commercial income and quality player base. That's how it is.
https://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/whos-who/ if you want to check with McManus. Question for you - how many players have TWP developed and how much TV money are they attracting in North America? | |
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| Quote: Donnyman "Thank you for your reply Mounsey.
[iUltimately we exist because SKY pay for us to exist. SKY don't want a Transatlantic league they want an English league. The TV deal won't shrink it will disappear if we let all these phoney clubs in. The problem is the RL press doesn't have the guts or the honesty to make the slightest effort to analyse the effect of what this "expansion" as they call it will have on the game here.[/i
Yes you did
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| Quote: wrencat1873 " Also regarding Toronto (and Catalan), if they dont receive a slice of the Sky "cake", it may be that the rest of the SL clubs are more than happy to have them make up the numbers. For instance, if there were say, 6 overseas clubs in the comp, who didn't receive a share of the cash, the 6 UK clubs would receive a massively higher share ?'"
I love you man, but your drifting so far outside the box the Wolves will get you.....
Again McManus confirmed that "[iThe sky isn't the limit[/i"  |
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[iClearly SKY would be happier with the whole of Superleague being English. why would we not offer them that?
SKY don't want overseas clubs. No SKY no game.'"
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And again.
You repeatedly have said that Sky do not want overseas clubs.
Caught you out. Again.
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| Quote: Donnyman "I love you man, but your drifting so far outside the box the Wolves will get you.....
Again McManus confirmed that "[iThe sky isn't the limit[/i" ![]()
Come on man, Sky couldn't give a toss about the game, other than they need some screen filler that is worth their while, end of.
The rest is just posturing (from both sides) to help them achieve what they want from their "bid".
Whether McManus is slanting some of his words towards "blaming" Sky for any UK/Overseas split, is a different matter altogether and FWIW, he's absolutely right about some of the overseas clubs not being anything like self sufficient (in terms of player development etc), for many, many years to come, if ever and I would suggest that it is their reliance on other clubs / nations to provide the players for the expansionists dream that makes him suggest that we need nine UK clubs in SL and little to do with Sky.
I also agree with the likely effects of "relegating" a further proportion of UK clubs and the huge detrimental effect that this would have on our domestic game.
As for converting significant numbers of grid iron players, I think this was all just a publicity stunt. Although, if they were prepared to commit significant resource and time, MAYBE it could be done.
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| Quote: The Silent H "[iClearly SKY would be happier with the whole of Superleague being English. why would we not offer them that?
SKY don't want overseas clubs. No SKY no game.'" [/i
I think your just too clever for me.
I said SKY don't want overseas clubs but they concede that they can't stifle "expansion" so they set a limit of three. As it stands sadly you could not really remove TWP and Catalans and put Bradford and Widnes back in because they lack the rich owners needed. Now Semore Kurdi is a rich owner, and Nigel Wood and Perez - you know the pair that started this american nonsense - are working hard on resurrecting Bradford Bulls Instead  .
Now I dunno if this is just my wishful thinking but I would not be surprised if 2022 Bradford and Newcastle will enter SL and replace TWP and Catalans because overseas expansion isn't working....Howay the lads....
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "
Come on man, Sky couldn't give a toss about the game".
I also agree with the likely effects of "relegating" a further proportion of UK clubs and the huge detrimental effect that this would have on our domestic game.
As for converting significant numbers of grid iron players, I think this was all just a publicity stunt.
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£200M says SKY give a toss for me. We may be filler but they have kept us alive since 1996.
Pleased you can see that relegating English clubs and promoting overseas clubs kills the game here.
Yes I agree grid iron conversions was a Perez publicity stunt that Nigel Wood had to swallow. Now ironically and tellingly Wood is teamed up with Perez at Bradford how about Wakey/Bradford games 2022 onwards?
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