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| Quote: j.c "I might have miss heard this at some point, but dont the rfl give sl clubs 100k each towards youth devolopement?if thats the case then those monies will stop now and that money could be being used to strengthen the rest of the pro game'"
SL clubs still do youth development (not enough and not brilliantly admittedly)
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It would seem pretty backward. Giving the most money to the clubs who need it least. Would seem a surefire recipe for the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.'"
Read it again
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| Quote: Starbug "Read it again'"
Would still seem backward to reward clubs for failing financially.
Clubs should be rewarded however for specifically doing the things we want them to do though.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Would still seem backward to reward clubs for failing financially.
Clubs should be rewarded however for specifically doing the things we want them to do though.'"
Yes it is a strange one, rewarding failure, like they do in the NFL
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes it is a strange one, rewarding failure, like they do in the NFL
There is a huge amount of co-operation in the NFL and much more of an attitude of working for the best of the whole. I actually agree with it and would have no problem with us adopting a structure and funding much closer to the NFL.
But it is something you would need to do wholesale, not just pick the bits you like. When the NFL take this heavily socialist philosophy it is on the basis that an payment to improve a struggling club is an investment in that market which if successful benefits the whole league. But i think the clubs you think would benefit from that kind of structure would be the ones to suffer the most, because if it becomes apparent that that payment isnt growing an emerging market but subsidising a failing club that club is gone very very quickly.
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| Can we stop strangling the life out of the lower leagues?
10 years ago Leigh were averaging 3-3.5k in the lower league. What have we lost since then that has seen our average drop to 1.5k?
For me it's competitive fixtures. The fixtures we do play in don't feel like they mean anything. There's next to no reward for winning anything, so it's difficult to get excited about being crowned 15th best team in the country.
Secondly, I remember big games with big crowds against Widnes, Hull KR, Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton, Salford, Huddersfield, Featherstone, Whitehaven, Batley, Hunslet & Dewsbury, all over a 5 year period. Now many of these clubs are shadows of their former selves. Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton, Whitehaven, Dewsbury & Hunslet are now all close to being dead. Widnes, Hull KR, Salford & Huddersfield are all in the closed shop top flight.
These days, Leigh fans get excited about games v Featherstone or v Halifax, everything else is a let down on one level or another. For example, Batley and Sheffield are good teams, but virtually none of their fans ever turn up at LSV to see their team play.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "There is a huge amount of co-operation in the NFL and much more of an attitude of working for the best of the whole. I actually agree with it and would have no problem with us adopting a structure and funding much closer to the NFL.
But it is something you would need to do wholesale, not just pick the bits you like. When the NFL take this heavily socialist philosophy it is on the basis that an payment to improve a struggling club is an investment in that market which if successful benefits the whole league. But i think the clubs you think would benefit from that kind of structure would be the ones to suffer the most, because if it becomes apparent that that payment isnt growing an emerging market but subsidising a failing club that club is gone very very quickly.'"
Yes it works well if you have money queing up to replace them, but we dont, and wont have, unless of course you improve the next lot down, then you might get better results from those failing
And the circle of life is complete
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes it works well if you have money queing up to replace them, but we dont, and wont have, unless of course you improve the next lot down, then you might get better results from those failing
And the circle of life is complete'"
So not only now do you want us to be taking funding from the top of SL to the bottom, we now also need funding to subsidise the lower tiers as well. So in short you are wanting four or five clubs to fund the entire game from top to bottom in the hope that that will produce some clubs who can challenge them. Good plan that.
You also seem to be forgetting that the best market for the league as a whole probably wouldnt be any of the clubs currently in the championship bar Sheffield. It would surely be cheaper and easier just to invest in Sheffield.
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| Quote: Dreamer "I've just realised it!
You're Gary Hetherington
No, Darth is putting money into all levels of the game at the moment, including Championships clubs.
I don't quite understand Smokey's reasoning that the Championships don't contribute towards youth development or growing the game. I don't think they do as much as they could or should, but then I don't think SL clubs or amateur clubs do as much as they could or should either.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "So not only now do you want us to be taking funding from the top of SL to the bottom, we now also need funding to subsidise the lower tiers as well. So in short you are wanting four or five clubs to fund the entire game from top to bottom in the hope that that will produce some clubs who can challenge them. Good plan that.
You also seem to be forgetting that the best market for the league as a whole probably wouldnt be any of the clubs currently in the championship bar Sheffield. It would surely be cheaper and easier just to invest in Sheffield.'"
Good idea, certain to work, cant think why we havent tried that one before?
Look, I think a change of structure isnt going to work, I posted as such at the start of the thread , but neither is the current one working either, so my solution is to put some pressure on the lower SL clubs to improve, as I understood it, thats what everybody wants to happen
There are no new mega clubs around the corner, Salford will fail looking at the way Mr Koukash is heading, because he looks to want instant results, and that wont happen, or if it does it will probably be on the back of an influx of overseas players
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| Quote: Him "No, Darth is putting money into all levels of the game at the moment, including Championships clubs.
I don't quite understand Smokey's reasoning that the Championships don't contribute towards youth development or growing the game. I don't think they do as much as they could or should, but then I don't think SL clubs or amateur clubs do as much as they could or should either.'"
Im not saying they dont contribute at all, but out of all three levels of the game they contribute the least, and considering that all three levels of the game are desperate for investment I cant see why we would be prioritising investing in the part of the game that has and will contribute the least.
As i said before, we dont have an infinite amount of money, every penny we spend has an opportunity cost, if we invest x amount in the championships we dont invest x amount elsewhere, investment in any part of the game doesnt only have to be worthwhile it has to be the best use of that money.
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| Quote: Starbug "Good idea, certain to work, cant think why we havent tried that one before?
If its pressure on the lower SL clubs that is our aim, the most obvious and simplest answer would be to cut the size of SL by 2.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If its pressure on the lower SL clubs that is our aim, the most obvious and simplest answer would be to cut the size of SL by 2.'"
Or by 4 , or 6 , crazy really, shrink till we dissapear, or attempt to grow, all parts
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| Quote: Starbug "Or by 4 , or 6 , crazy really, shrink till we dissapear, or attempt to grow, all parts'"
robbing peter to pay paul isnt growth.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "robbing peter to pay paul isnt growth.'"
If peter is blowing his money on drugs unneccessarily instead of planting seeds then buy paul some tools so he can at least attempt to feed himself
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