You're right mate. Fax should be in SL end of. Not saying you should be in ahead of Widnes but you should be in. The RL have their minds made up based on politics. An example was Celtic Crusaders based in Cardiff. Long before the decision was taken to allow them into the SL, I happened to buy a TOM TOM. On it was directions to SL grounds, guess who was on there.

No you were not. I'm not interested in arguing semantics, it's irrelevant. You didn't go down to the next division, ergo, you were not relegated.

Whilst I cannot deny many, including and exacerbated by myself, reacted badly to the last round of licenses, this is an utter falsification. There were hardly any complaints about catalans getting in ahead of us. We knew that there were two relegation spots before the season, it was an even playing field, and unfortunately we were not good enough to stay up that season. In fact, some of our complaints about crusaders were the way they had been stealthed in ahead of others on the back of propaganda and lies about their strength instead of them being promoted honestly and in a similar manner to Catalans. People only utter this non-truth because it sounds like something we might have said.

It also has nothing to do with the decision to promote Widnes, yet Widnes fans keep bringing it up as some form of defence if anyone has the nerve to suggest the system which has seen Widnes into Super League is flawed.

Spot on again Dalts!

Yes we were , the RFL included us in the Championship 1 fixtures and Gateshead in the Championship ones , even on these boards we went down , ask tb ?

So there's not been a significant number of Widnes fans in the past that have suggested that the club has twice been shafted to accomodate a French club? I'd say that there has (There's one on this thread as an example!)

Your complaints about Crusaders are justified. In 2008, the RFL knew exactly who was going to be awarded franchises, I suspect the RFL have known for 3 years that Widnes would get a franchise this time around. Begs the question why they didn't just let you in last time. SOC on Boots n All last Thursday seemed to give the impression that you've had 3 needless years in the Championship.

Yes it is. The OP clearly states "Why today's announcement is an outrage". There is no getting away from this fact. Going by what a licence bid is supposed to represent, Widnes were clearly the best option. Therefore the decision is definitely not an ‘outrage’.

It is clearly a pop at Widnes.

Most of the others are making pointless statements about P&R, which just isn’t on offer anymore. This is not the thread for that. What should be being discussed is, going by the licence criteria, who was best place to get the licence?

Clearly the OP thinks it should have been Halifax. I, personally can’t see why.

It's entirely relevant when you're complaining about widnes going up thanks to off the pitch matters. Off the pitch matters saved your club from Championship 1. You're also in the unique position of having won nothing in recent years, unlike Widnes, Halifax, Featherstone, Batley, Barrow nor in any position to even bid. How on earth are you personally feeling hard done to? This isn't most leigh fans, just a vocal minority.

There certainly has not been a significant number no. I remember it well. The rules were transparent, Catalans were a sensible inclusion, we had no means to argue. Most of the people who bring it up aren't even widnes fans, and one or two with selective memories does not constitute significant numbers.

I'm not feeling hard done to, I've also not seen any Leigh fans suggesting that we should be given a license either. Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on the system that is in place.

I thought the thread title was created by a mod that had merged several threads on the same subject

Perhaps they should have. Perhaps they decided that Leigh were the highest placed team in the league which could have moved up to the Championship. Perhaps this is an argument for 2 years ago? Perhaps Leigh's relegation / reinstatement is something Widnes fans are using as a some sort of petty deflection tool against anyone that questions anything that relates to their club

I think banging on and on about the injustice of it all just because early doors in the league you are riding high (like you were last season) speaks volumes about this.